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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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I was initially an Army rotary wing pilot back in '71. We did have olive green helmets when we flew the Huey, but didn't take a pic holding helmet and looking up at the sky that I recall (g). I do remember wearing a baseball hat when I first flew the T-55. One could slide the bill left or right a bit to compute the crab on final (g).

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Funny getting this new cert. DPE talked about me having a vintage plane rating. After scratching my head a bit, he pointed to the B-25 SIC rating I have. Guess I didn't think of that as vintage. Probably the Huey, OH-58 and all the birds I flew back in the 70s would be vintage now, like me :) Guess I should ask if those should be memorialized on my certificate.

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Amen, brother! I'd take that straight to DC in protest against the DPE. WAY out of line on both counts.


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Congratulations Dave, you did what many of us would love to do and thanks for taking us on the journey as well! :thumbup:


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Funny getting this new cert. DPE talked about me having a vintage plane rating. After scratching my head a bit, he pointed to the B-25 SIC rating I have. Guess I didn't think of that as vintage. Probably the Huey, OH-58 and all the birds I flew back in the 70s would be vintage now, like me :) Guess I should ask if those should be memorialized on my certificate.


A B25 rating (or any Warbird with more then 800hp) would be listed as a "Vintage Airplane Authorization" on your certificate, but I suspect the sic is just shows as sic. It replaced the old "Letter of Authorization" system.

I'm not sure how the vintage jets are handled - is a MIG 15 a type rating or a VAA? I'll see a MiG driver next weekend and ask him.

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A B25 rating (or any Warbird with more then 800hp) would be listed as a "Vintage Airplane Authorization" on your certificate, but I suspect the sic is just shows as sic. It replaced the old "Letter of Authorization" system.

I'm not sure how the vintage jets are handled - is a MIG 15 a type rating or a VAA? I'll see a MiG driver next weekend and ask him.

Robert

Not with the B-25, unless it's experimental. It's a "normal" category airplane, standard type rating.


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A B25 rating (or any Warbird with more then 800hp) would be listed as a "Vintage Airplane Authorization" on your certificate, but I suspect the sic is just shows as sic. It replaced the old "Letter of Authorization" system.

I'm not sure how the vintage jets are handled - is a MIG 15 a type rating or a VAA? I'll see a MiG driver next weekend and ask him.

Robert

Not with the B-25, unless it's experimental. It's a "normal" category airplane, standard type rating.


Huh. Didn't know that - thanks John!

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Seeing what fits ;)
Citation II I can dry lease in Denton near here. Looking Sunday to see what can be worked out.
Citation V I've been flying I can still dry lease but it's quite a ways away.
Citation II in Fort Worth.

Weighing the alternatives. Leaning toward dry leasing for a bit until I figure out what I really want to do. Leasing looks like the way to start; then, will evaluate and see if I want to purchase.

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You may be reading into things a bit or I may not be explaining them right.

Naw, don't quit posting. My message came out a little more harsh than it needed to be.

I just get heartburn over DPEs (and pilots) who think they can do as they wish. The PTS was written mostly to LIMIT what DPEs could do. For example when DPEs were not limited, they'd say, "Ok, let's shoot the ADF to El Alto Airport in Bolivia (13,323' Elevation), using this AM station here." Or, go around, from 200' on final in a 150 HP Apache with the left one actually feathered (real example from my MEL checkride, in Lakeland FL, 1957.) Or, all steep banks will be 60 degrees (DC-3 check, Ft Lauderdale FL, 1963. Long before PTSs.

And, I know of no maneuver more useless than stalls on a check ride. Over the years, I've seen about every variety of recovery, depending on the mood of the FAA "this year." Busting an applicant because he lowers the nose too much, or because he doesn't lower it all is utter nonsense.

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Could not agree with you more John !! Sure damn funny how they teach a stall recovery for 30 years then say it's not the correct procedure... Think how many guys busted the ride do to the 100 foot altitude lost or heading change by greater than 10 degrees. My last PIC check 6 months ago the standards were given to lose altitude if needed-- as much as you want " just be correcting"



BTW- Congrats Dave......
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Thanks Tim!
Was chatting with a guy managing a couple Citation Vs last night; he has an owner that is thinking about selling one. Great conversation until he mentioned he was finishing up a phase V and how it would be a great time to purchase now because another wouldn't be required for three years. Then, he mentioned it cost $80,000 :roll:
Dry lease sure sounds good right now.

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Thanks Tim!
Was chatting with a guy managing a couple Citation Vs last night; he has an owner that is thinking about selling one. Great conversation until he mentioned he was finishing up a phase V and how it would be a great time to purchase now because another wouldn't be required for three years. Then, he mentioned it cost $80,000 :roll:
Dry lease sure sounds good right now.


Agree on lease. That said $80k is less than $8/hr no? Seems reasonable.

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How did you figure that? If it's due every three years and I fly 150 hours a year, it's more than $177 an hour.
Then one has all the other phase inspections in between plus other maintenance. Usually not much in between phase inspections, but we recently had to do brakes and those are pretty expensive on a V. Of course, cost of capital, etc.

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How did you figure that? If it's due every three years and I fly 150 hours a year, it's more than $177 an hour.
Then one has all the other phase inspections in between plus other maintenance. Usually not much in between phase inspections, but we recently had to do brakes and those are pretty expensive on a V. Of course, cost of capital, etc.



The Phase V is 3 years or 1200/hr. My bad $66/hr. That's what happens when you land in Cancun at 3am in a V! Things look better than they are! What you fly is less relevant than what the V that needed $80k flew I suppose. Said differently its $26kish a year based on how much you fly. Plus you may fly it better.

Guess I wouldn't be unhappy with a $26k annual realizing there are other inspections as well.

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Sure seems like you have options in the Dallas area. Own A C90 and pick a Citation when needed.. Perfect... No hassle.

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