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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig.  Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 14:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Does anyone remember what the argument was about ?
Sometimes this place is like walking into the lunch room in the nursing home. Oh now that's funny 
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not reality. You're flying it wrong. Why are you so down on the PC12? How am I flying it wrong, I'm following the app designed and distributed by Pilatus? I'm not down on the PC12, the company I work for operates one of the largest Part 91 corporate fleets in the US, at 5 pc12s. We love them! I have time in every pc12 model except the /41. The /45s are even slower than this. I am not a salesman, nor a part 135 operator trying to sell speed. Now I want to see a pic of you doing 270TAS on a hot summer day (non of this -35SAT) look at me on the coldest day of the year. I'm talking ISA +20. While burning 350-370lbs an hour. Any ITT under 780 and NOT COMING OUT OF A DECENT!! Pics or it didn't happen.... 
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ah, what the hay, it's only 40kts different.  Mine in the summer @ 17.5K
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: While burning 350-370lbs an hour. 498lbs per hour!! That is way more than your normal 350-370lbs hr. You're not going coast to coast on the fuel burn...
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ah, what the hay, it's only 40kts different. Mine in the summer @ 17.5K
That's pretty impressive. That is almost KA200 Speed on a little less fuel.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:16 |
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Username Protected wrote:
498lbs per hour!! That is way more than your normal 350-370lbs hr. You're not going coast to coast on the fuel burn...
17.5K Are you reading anything? FF in the teens is higher than in the high 20's. The pic I posted earlier in the thread has high 20'sFF Seriously man. Debating you is extremely difficult. Read the words in the post before you respond.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ah, what the hay, it's only 40kts different. Mine in the summer @ 17.5K
You've managed KA fuel burns in a PC12, great shot tho...
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:18 |
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Username Protected wrote:
You've managed KA fuel burns in a PC12, great shot tho...
I fly a lot of 17.5 VFR direct because I don't like ATC flying me all over the place. My FF for the total trip ends up less than if I was higher and flying in the opposite direction.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the summer I get 270-ish. In the winter 277-ish. It's about a 10 knot swing between summer and winter. No PC12NG goes 250..... Where is this info coming from?
My plane holds 2700lbs of gas. High twenties I'm burning 350-370PPH. I want this.... 350-370lbs hr, 270TAS hot summer day. You're sucking down fuel at 17.5k, but what happens if you go higher? You will gain efficiency in the fuel burn... But what else? You will lose speed and be in the 260s TAS range....
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:27 |
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Username Protected wrote:
You're sucking down fuel at 17.5k, but what happens if you go higher? You will gain efficiency in the fuel burn... But what else?
You will lose speed and be in the 260s TAS range....
Go back and see my original photo. We're going in circles. I already answered these questions.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: We're going in circles. I already answered these questions. After 355 posts that is pretty much inevitable  .
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 15:41 |
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Username Protected wrote:
You're sucking down fuel at 17.5k, but what happens if you go higher? You will gain efficiency in the fuel burn... But what else?
You will lose speed and be in the 260s TAS range....
Go back and see my original photo. We're going in circles. I already answered these questions.
He's just being facetiously difficult. 
Your toy, your money. No need to prove anything to anyone else in the first place IMO.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 16:01 |
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Username Protected wrote:
You're sucking down fuel at 17.5k, but what happens if you go higher? You will gain efficiency in the fuel burn... But what else?
You will lose speed and be in the 260s TAS range....
Go back and see my original photo. We're going in circles. I already answered these questions.
So can we agree that if you were to take your 17.5k picture and climb to say FL 210 you would be running around in the 260s? Your ITT will climb with altitude, your already running near 780, so you'll be forced to pull it back, less power, less speed...
Your original photo was taken at -35SAT one pretty cold day, your second is at -7SAT down low, burning near a KA200. That's the only way you get numbers is if A. If it's really cold, B if you are down low sucking fuel.
It's very difficult to debate you because you're never wrong, and you have nothing left to learn...
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