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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga ....  Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 23:32 |
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Tim,
Strap some Williams engines on that Aerostar. You will not be disappointed.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 23:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tim,
Strap some Williams engines on that Aerostar. You will not be disappointed. Yah, that would be fun. A budget buster for sure, but the bigger issue would be the FAA. Changing the engine type from piston to turbofan would basically require re-certification. Tim
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 00:11 |
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Tim,
I think someone gas already done this. Saw it at Oshkosk and EAA magazine.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 00:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tim,
I think someone gas already done this. Saw it at Oshkosk and EAA magazine. Here you go: [youtube]http://youtu.be/ayoqVJVQm2E[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 00:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tim,
I think someone gas already done this. Saw it at Oshkosk and EAA magazine. Yes, I have sat in it. Missed the AOA convention where they took it out to fly it. They are still working with the FAA find a way to certify it. I have not asked for progress on it since it is outside my price range. Oh, I am pretty sure it is Rolls Royce engines. Tim
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 00:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oh, I am pretty sure it is Rolls Royce engines. In the video it says Pratt & Whitney 615s...
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 00:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oh, I am pretty sure it is Rolls Royce engines. In the video it says Pratt & Whitney 615s...
They had an article in the aopa turbine section. I believe it is the Mustang powerplant including the controls.
The economics make no sense. At the numbers they are talking about, you might as well buy the Mustang.
Nice idea to honor Ted Smiths original concept.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 01:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oh, I am pretty sure it is Rolls Royce engines. In the video it says Pratt & Whitney 615s...
Go with the video, not my memory!
Tim
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 02:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: t.
Eclipse, had not for those serious issues, would be a solid company today. Sure it's Eclipse's fault. They made promises based on vapor ware, betting on the come. Results were predictable and predicted.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 04:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tim,
I think someone gas already done this. Saw it at Oshkosk and EAA magazine. Yes, I have sat in it. Missed the AOA convention where they took it out to fly it. They are still working with the FAA find a way to certify it. I have not asked for progress on it since it is outside my price range. Oh, I am pretty sure it is Rolls Royce engines. Tim
I got 10 minutes at the controls of the Aerostar Jet at that convention 
Here's my original post with pictures/videos.
http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71062
This is what Eclipse should have built.
Glenn
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 08:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sure it's Eclipse's fault. They made promises based on vapor ware, betting on the come. Results were predictable and predicted. +1 Murphy's Law That said, I don't think it was a scam. There are many easier ways to scam people than build an airplane company.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 12:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: That said, I don't think it was a scam. There are many easier ways to scam people than build an airplane company. Don't tell that to Jim Bede! 
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 13:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: t.
Eclipse, had not for those serious issues, would be a solid company today. Sure it's Eclipse's fault. They made promises based on vapor ware, betting on the come. Results were predictable and predicted.
Ehhhh... they raised capital to build an airplane. Along the way there were issues that impacted the business plan and schedule, and then ran out of money for reasons mentioned above. Was the Learjet vapor ware at some point? Was the Cirrus Jet vapor ware (they almost went under because of it)? They both succeeded, unfortunately, Eclipse did not.
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Post subject: Re: My Eclipse Jet Saga .... Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ehhhh... they raised capital to build an airplane. Along the way there were issues that impacted the business plan and schedule, and then ran out of money for reasons mentioned above. Was the Learjet vapor ware at some point? Was the Cirrus Jet vapor ware (they almost went under because of it)? They both succeeded, unfortunately, Eclipse did not. Did original Eclipse start out as a scam? No, but it quickly became one. They took deposits on the 400, a plane they knew from day 1 would be impossible to certify. The contract said the deposits were to be held by third party escrow, but Eclipse took the $ and spent it on other things completely unrelated to the 400. The contract said you could get a 100% refund before a certain date, but Eclipse wouldn't answer the phones or return calls for people wanting their $ back. Don't act like they were above board and would have succeeded if not for a couple third party vendors not delivering on promises ....
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