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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio  Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah, what?? Full-fuel payload is over 1500 lbs...... "Full fuel" means nothing without "fuel flow".
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: 350ER bumps that full tanks payload to almost 2k.  Nobody said anything about ER. "Blackhawk" is key word. What is the range and payload of a Blackhawk 350?
The range and payload of a Blackhawk is still more than a PC-12
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: The range and payload of a Blackhawk is still more than a PC-12 If you're not gonna back up your posts with some numbers..... don't post. It's easy to type out one word answers. You sell these things don't you? What is full fuel payload of a Blackhawk 350? What is the fuel flow of a Blackhawk 350? Is the fuel flow so ridiculous that I might as well buy a CJ3+? What are the training requirements for a Blackhawk 350? If I have all the costs and training of a jet.... I'm just gonna buy the jet.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: The range and payload of a Blackhawk is still more than a PC-12 If you're not gonna back up your posts with some numbers..... don't post. It's easy to type out one word answers. You sell these things don't you? What is full fuel payload of a Blackhawk 350? What is the fuel flow of a Blackhawk 350? Is the fuel flow so ridiculous that I might as well buy a CJ3+? What are the training requirements for a Blackhawk 350? If I have all the costs and training of a jet.... I'm just gonna buy the jet.
The payload is the same as a regular 350... it depends on what airplane, I can make a phone call and find out what the exact full fuel payload is on the one we did... but like Todd said about 1500#
The fuel flow is more than an airplane with -60A's but less than a CJ3+... but the King Air isn't as fast. There are no additional training requirement for the Blackhawk 350, just a 350 type rating (one and done) but the initial is probably very similar to a CJ3+ in scope of difficulty and cost, especially if you haven't previously been typed in anything.
if you are ok with the higher acquisition cost, smaller tube and less carrying capacity of the CJ3+ I would buy the CJ3+
The cost of operating a CJ3 is very similar to the King Air 350
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:54 |
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The cost of operating a CJ3 is very similar to the King Air 350
And that's the rub. Getting typed in the 350 and buying/renovating/Blackhawk plus OPEX and the CJ3+, CJ4 or Phenom 300 is still there to "upgrade" into from the 350. If I'm going to do all the expense and training I might as well do it for the CJ3+, CJ4, Phenom 300. Then I'm done. There's nowhere else to go. If I'm going to the time and expense of a type rating..... Jet.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:57 |
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if you are ok with the higher acquisition cost, smaller tube and less carrying capacity of the CJ3+ I would buy the CJ3+
Is it higher? There's a super nice 2014 CJ3+ on Controller asking $6.3MM https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... tation-cj3What's a 2014 KA350 plus Blackhawk gonna cost? What avionics are in a 2014 KA350? Proline 21? ugh.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:21 |
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Username Protected wrote:
if you are ok with the higher acquisition cost, smaller tube and less carrying capacity of the CJ3+ I would buy the CJ3+
Is it higher? There's a super nice 2014 CJ3+ on Controller asking $6.3MM https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... tation-cj3What's a 2014 KA350 plus Blackhawk gonna cost? What avionics are in a 2014 KA350? Proline 21? ugh.
Roughly $6.1M - $6.2M with Blackhawks and G1000NXi
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Roughly $6.1M - $6.2M with Blackhawks and G1000NXi For a 2014 with 600TT on the airframe?
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Roughly $6.1M - $6.2M with Blackhawks and G1000NXi For a 2014 with 600TT on the airframe?
a 2014 350i is probably going to have about 1500 hours on it, so I'm not saying there is a 600 hour 2014 out there for sale... but if there were the math would be as follows.
2014 KA 350i .................. $4,500,000.00
Blackhawk Mod ................ $1,900,000.00
G1000NXi .......................... $400,000.00
Less exchange of engines..... -$500,000.00
Total ................................. $6,300,000.00
And we waited for the G1000NXi STC so you don't have to!
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: a 2014 350i is probably going to have about 1500 hours on it, so I'm not saying there is a 600 hour 2014 out there for sale... but if there were the math would be as follows.
2014 KA 350i .................. $4,500,000.00
Blackhawk Mod ................ $1,900,000.00
G1000NXi ........................ $400,000.00
Less exchange of engines... -$500,000.00
Total ................................. $6,300,000.00 Honestly I'd rather have the CJ3 or CJ4 or Phenom 300. The costs and training are the same.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: a 2014 350i is probably going to have about 1500 hours on it, so I'm not saying there is a 600 hour 2014 out there for sale... but if there were the math would be as follows.
2014 KA 350i .................. $4,500,000.00
Blackhawk Mod ................ $1,900,000.00
G1000NXi ........................ $400,000.00
Less exchange of engines... -$500,000.00
Total ................................. $6,300,000.00 Honestly I'd rather have the CJ3 or CJ4 or Phenom 300. The costs and training are the same.
So would I...
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: 350ER bumps that full tanks payload to almost 2k. Nobody said anything about ER. "Blackhawk" is key word. What is the range and payload of a Blackhawk 350?
Yeah, I should have put the "factory stock" caveat in there......mea culpa.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 16:24 |
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Yeah, I should have put the "factory stock" caveat in there......mea culpa.
350iER-67A is one heck of an airplane!
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 16:29 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Yeah, I should have put the "factory stock" caveat in there......mea culpa.
350iER-67A is one heck of an airplane!
Agreed.
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