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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series  Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 12:20 |
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The V is quite a bit sportier and the insurance is likely going to make you cart around a second officer for a while. A 560 requires a crew of 3?  
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 14:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Data Point:
As of yesterday. Insurance on 560 Excel/XLS $25MM liability approx. ($6K) and $2.5MM hull .25-.30/100 ($7,500-ish). Single pilot or 2 crew? What is the open pilot qualifications?
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 14:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Data Point:
As of yesterday. Insurance on 560 Excel/XLS $25MM liability approx. ($6K) and $2.5MM hull .25-.30/100 ($7,500-ish). Single pilot or 2 crew? What is the open pilot qualifications?
I don’t believe SPE is available for the 560XL (could be wrong).
Early in process. Full quote/qual not complete so I don’t have other stips at this point.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 16:00 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Single pilot or 2 crew?
What is the open pilot qualifications?
I don’t believe SPE is available for the 560XL (could be wrong). Early in process. Full quote/qual not complete so I don’t have other stips at this point.
560XL is two pilot only. No SPE exists.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 16:28 |
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Another data point:
S550 + FJ44, hull $1.6M, liability $5M.
Hull premium: $6,400 (0.40% hull rate)
Liability premium: $4,750
Deductible: NIL motion, NIL not in motion
Pilot qualifications:
Mike Ciholas -- Must obtain his COM then get his CE500 type rating from a simulator based program with SPE Initial from an approved simulator based program followed by an additional 25 hours of mentor time with an approved mentor pilot. Annual G&F training at an approved facility thereafter.
Open pilot warranty:
CMI or better/ Typed/3,000TT/ 2,000ME/ 1,000Jet/100MM + All pilots must successfully complete an underwriter approved G&F training program for the insured MM within the 12 months preceding any intended flight.
Underwriter: Brown
For comparison, my MU2 policy is $4,950 for a $450K hull (1.1% hull rate), $4,000 for $5M liability. I expect when I get some time in the jet, it will be cheaper to insure than the MU2 despite much higher hull value.
Note that I have 0 jet time, about 1300 hours MU2 time, no type rating, so I'm a jet rookie, but moderate turbine experience.
Despite my rookie status, 5 underwriters quoted, prices ranged from $11,150 to $14,950.
The overall impression is that insurance in the Citation market is widely available and reasonable cost.
Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 16:43 |
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Is the 560XL the same type rating as a 500; seems a bit odd if so.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 16:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is the 560XL the same type rating as a 500; seems a bit odd if so. No, the 560XL has a different type rating: CE-560XL. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 17:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is the 560XL the same type rating as a 500; seems a bit odd if so. Nope. Ultra wing plus X fuselage. I’ll start a different thread if it goes further.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 22:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is the 560XL the same type rating as a 500; seems a bit odd if so. Nope. Ultra wing plus X fuselage. I’ll start a different thread if it goes further.
It is not the X fuselage. Much smaller than the X, but the same cross section though.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 20 Jun 2018, 06:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ultra panel What’s the red light next to the LH N2 reading on for? Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 20 Jun 2018, 08:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: The overall impression is that insurance in the Citation market is widely available and reasonable cost.
Mike C. It is if you are talking about $1m-$2m aircraft - however if you are an owner/operator looking at a $4m+ aircraft then the market becomes very tight especially for jet transition type risks. It gets even tighter when the subject aircraft is in the P300, CJ3/4 or PC24 space at $8m+. Capacity is still there but we are down a couple of underwriting markets from a year or two ago. 
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 20 Jun 2018, 09:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ultra panel What’s the red light next to the LH N2 reading on for? Andrew
Overspeed n2. Looks like an indication error.
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