BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 09:02

Username Protected wrote:

Now, when will the first delivery holders sell it for an 80% loss in a year because it is such a bad design. I mean a single engine jet is so inefficient. It cannot go high.....

Tim

Are we really doing this again?

Want a jet that can go high? Buy an M2 or Eclipse for 2X the price.

Pilatus, TBM, Meridien all cruise in the 20s.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 09:03

Thank god. I hoped you meant that in green.

Cirrus and HondaJet are gonna dump the market. Get ready to buy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 09:12

Cirrus doesn't give a XXXX about what is being said on BT. They are lapping the field.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 09:46

Username Protected wrote:

Cirrus doesn't give a XXXX about what is being said on BT. They are lapping the field.

Yup.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 10:02

Oh, this should get interesting now..... :popcorn:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 10:12

And apparently the chute was tested as well after all. Now the question is what kind of maintenance schedule we're talking about here. That's the key to success. If it requires more or less an annual and has program costs in the 250 an hour range (125 for engine, 125 for parts, 150 annual minimum), plus 250 an hour for fuel, it will be a winner. I can see many companies adding one to haul a few people around 400 miles in an hour and half. That's the sweet spot for regional companies. This is the only jet out there to stay under 4000 an hour including capital costs on a 5 year amortization schedule. It makes perfect sense for hauling personnel making mid six figures. Nothing else can do this.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Oct 2016, 18:45

Has anybody seen the chute deployment video?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 02:47

Who won the bet?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 10:43

Username Protected wrote:

Who won the bet?

The lawyers. Somehow they always win...

Tim (trying to get Tom D and crowd going for another 100 pages)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 17:21

Username Protected wrote:

Who won the bet?

The lawyers. Somehow they always win...

Tim (trying to get Tom D and crowd going for another 100 pages)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 17:24

Username Protected wrote:

If you want a hundred more pages, just state a strong opinion on why it should or shouldn't be a twin.

Which side do you think will get people more riled up? I can make a really good argument either way.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 17:32

I think just take your pick...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 18:32

I am very interested in the delivery rate for 2017 now that the certification hurdle is passed. Have they released their projected delivery schedule?

I hope to see them on ramps soon.

My bet has been that absent some undisclosed performance shortfall or epic price increase the airplane should sell well.

Wonder how many have to sell for Chilos to revise his opinion? I am thinking 800/year.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 19:00

Pretty sure there are going to be plenty of slots available. The slot holders should get estimated delivery times from Cirrus.

And remember, never buy the A model of anything.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Nov 2016, 19:19

Username Protected wrote:

I am very interested in the delivery rate for 2017 now that the certification hurdle is passed. Have they released their projected delivery schedule?

if that report here is realistic, for the time being those seem to be the numbers…

Quote:

….Cirrus plans to deliver around three units this year. “In 2017 we will produce between 25 to 50 aircraft and hope to ramp up to 125 units by the end of 2018,” says Simmons…...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/nbaa-cirrus-vision-certificated-430928/

so that projected pretty wide spread from 25 - 50 units next year in deliveries..? what that means?…either they still are checking how fast they can ramp up production without compromising build quality in the beginning, or the first 50 serial numbers have had some cancellations ( maybe due to last years development and certification delays) and they could not yet convince buyers who have options for a later delivery to accept their airplanes sooner..

but could also be that exactly that buyer segment may have become a tad cautious due to doubts about the economy..( plus maybe those 600 orders that always had been talked about have yet to materialize..)

having a somewhat "slower" start in production ramp up of a new model though usually helps with the quality..I'd assume..

but 125 units already in 2018…I'd say that sounds a bit optimistic..but who knows..?

Cirrus SF50