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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Has anyone ever tried to pressurize a Velocity?

No. It would be rather difficult (I would say impossible) with the current configuration.

The main gear is forward of the firewall and the nose gear penetrates the forward bulkhead. So you've got three unsealable holes to contend with. You could probably create an internal bulkhead forward of the main gear and make the keel an unpressurized tunnel for the nose gear. But that would create additional challenges.


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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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No. It would be rather difficult (I would say impossible) with the current configuration.

The main gear is forward of the firewall and the nose gear penetrates the forward bulkhead. So you've got three unsealable holes to contend with. You could probably create an internal bulkhead forward of the main gear and make the keel an unpressurized tunnel for the nose gear. But that would create additional challenges.

Don, don't forget to make those new bulkheads out of angle iron.


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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Has anyone ever tried to pressurize a Velocity?

No. It would be rather difficult (I would say impossible) with the current configuration.

The main gear is forward of the firewall and the nose gear penetrates the forward bulkhead. So you've got three unsealable holes to contend with. You could probably create an internal bulkhead forward of the main gear and make the keel an unpressurized tunnel for the nose gear. But that would create additional challenges.


Not to mention the doors. 4-5 psi times than many square inches is a LOT of force that the structure was not designed for.
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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Has anyone ever tried to pressurize a Velocity?
Pressurizing a plane not designed for it is non-trivial. I've seen a Lancair Legacy that was extensively reworked to pressurize it but they eventually gave up. Smaller, reinforced windows, more and stronger door latches, and sealing openings were just the start, they found that even a few psi caused unacceptable distortions and cracks in the fuselage, it needed extensive reinforcement everywhere. And that's an all-carbon 2-seater, the much larger, fiberglass, cabin of a Velocity would be far more challenging.

If anyone is still up for the challenge, I believe that Legacy is for sale.


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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Not to mention the doors. 4-5 psi times than many square inches is a LOT of force that the structure was not designed for.
Not a big deal, just have to "dial it in."


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Not to mention the doors. 4-5 psi times than many square inches is a LOT of force that the structure was not designed for.
Not a big deal, just have to "dial it in."


If you make enough brackets out of angle iron to stiffen it up...
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What is a "Punch Rivet"?


Punch riveting is where you don’t pre-drill and deburr the hole like you would normally do for aluminum aircraft construction, like a Vans RV kit, and instead the rivet punches the hole on it’s way through.

I am not sure what punch rivets have to do with the Raptor’s design flaws, but it is apparently an important skill set for anyone to evaluate Peter’s brilliance.

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What is a "Punch Rivet"?


Punch riveting is where you don’t pre-drill and deburr the hole like you would normally do for aluminum aircraft construction, like a Vans RV kit, and instead the rivet punches the hole on it’s way through.

I am not sure what punch rivets have to do with the Raptor’s design flaws, but it is apparently an important skill set for anyone to evaluate Peter’s brilliance.


It’s a minutiae that pseudo-intellectuals talk about so they can give you a gotchya.

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It’s a minutiae that pseudo-intellectuals talk about so they can give you a gotchya.


Perhaps he didn’t really know what a punch rivet is and meant pop rivet, or installing a rivet with a punch? Punch riveting is not all that common and I would be a bit surprised if a fake engineer really knew what it was.

Or maybe he read about it somewhere and figured people would claim to have experience with it when they likely don’t. That would be your gotchya explanation.

Who knows, but I expect Chris will now Google it and have a copy and pasted explanation to cover his tracks.

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Posted at the HB thread with a claim that the comments were lifted from a raptor utube vid comments section area, which i can't find so fwiw, could be it was deleted.
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You guys have no idea what my plans are and what we're working on so you're making suggestions based on no information or your preconceived ideas of what's going to happen. I'm not changing the turbo setup now because it's not part of what we're planning. So enough already. I'm going to start blocking people who keep harping on about this. Just sit back and watch and keep your opinions to yourselves.

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You guys have no idea what my plans are and what we're working on so you're making suggestions based on no information or your preconceived ideas of what's going to happen. I'm not changing the turbo setup now because it's not part of what we're planning. So enough already. I'm going to start blocking people who keep harping on about this. Just sit back and watch and keep your opinions to yourselves.


Dude is going to completely redesign the airframe and power plant as he goes into production? :coffee:

We need to take bets on which state he is forced to land in once he starts his way West.


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Lied about owning a PC12
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Matt, I am genuinely curious...

Do you find it more intriguing to consider why folks resort to ad hominem attacks when confronted with uncomfortable truths, or are you more puzzled that such folks are themselves puzzled at how they ended up at their station in life, providing they have the self-awareness to even consider that question?

As a follow on to the first, when folks attempt but fail (assuming even a rudimentary examination of the statements made) at the former due to lack of precision in execution, do you think that the former destination discussed is fait accompli ensured by a constraining, recursive regression, or this there a glaringly simple to identify, quantify, and thus understand external factor at play?


Sorry, I read your post in Will Ferrell's voice from the SNL skit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hexboP623KQ


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We need to take bets on which state he is forced to land in once he starts his way West.

All of them? :rofl:

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Same state he's been in all along: denial.


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