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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 12:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: With that in mind, do you periodically cover up your AI and fly partial panel approaches in real IMC with passengers on board? No, I don't create an emergency where there is none. Electing not to use a working autopilot is not an emergency. Mike C.
But you said flying partial panel is easy. Do you feel capable, current, and confident in your ability to fly partial panel if needed? If so, why is it an emergency?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 14:07 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 21165 Post Likes: +26654 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: But you said flying partial panel is easy. I don't recall saying partial panel is easy. Find and display the quote you based your statement on. In any case, I do not believe partial panel is "easy", it is something that needs to be practiced, and I have said so. Quote: Do you feel capable, current, and confident in your ability to fly partial panel if needed? Yes. Quote: If so, why is it an emergency? Failure of primary flight instruments is an emergency. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 18:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: You can't keep the TC "wings" level?
I find the TC very natural and simple. Just keep the wings level. Done. Pitch is power/trim and altimeter. Done.
This takes very little practice and is intuitive.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 18:49 |
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Dude. There's a difference between maintaining control and flying full approaches.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 20:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Here you go. Backpedaling much? ;) I don't see where I said it was "easy". Nothing about partial panel is truly easy, it is a real emergency that requires a mindset to match. I do find the TC natural and intuitive as a backup and it can be for others with a little practice. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 21:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't see where I said it was "easy".
You said "simple". Simple but not easy? 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 22:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Do you use a flight director? I am still wondering if Mike C uses a FD when hand flying.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 May 2016, 22:49 |
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http://www.flyingmag.com/cirrus-rethink ... n-trainingA decade ago, the Cirrus fatal-accident rate, at about 2.6 fatal crashes per 100,000 flight hours, was nearly twice the industry average. Today the figure, less than one fatal accident per 100,000 flight hours, is just half the industry average.Roughly 75% reduction in fatal accident rate using the above analysis. That is an impressive improvement in a very short period of time. It is even more impressive because it was done all WITHOUT regulatory mandate. Training is, and has always been, the key to safety in aviation. People may disagree on the exact effect the training has (I think it teaches pilots how to break the accident chain so they don't need the chute, others, including Cirrus, think it is pushing use of the chute earlier in the sequence), but the bottom line result is undeniable. The cost of the training is fully paid for by the lack of accidents. It is not a cost, but a savings, even on a purely economic basis. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 May 2016, 04:16 |
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Quote: A decade ago, the Cirrus fatal-accident rate, at about 2.6 fatal crashes per 100,000 flight hours, was nearly twice the industry average. Today the figure, less than one fatal accident per 100,000 flight hours, is just half the industry average.
Roughly 75% reduction in fatal accident rate using the above analysis.
That is an impressive improvement in a very short period of time.
It is even more impressive because it was done all WITHOUT regulatory mandate.
That is indeed impressive and Cirrus deserves to be commended for it. 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 10 May 2016, 16:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Any shortcomings that the SF50 seems to have on paper, seems to be forgotten when you see how ergonomically delightful the aircraft is. Going to sell a bunch of these on emotion, which for most owner pilots, is a really big factor. Attachment: 1.jpg Attachment: 2.jpg It must be nice to be in a position where you actually have to agonize over which to buy a PC12, TBM, M600 or SF50.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 13 May 2016, 08:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Any shortcomings that the SF50 seems to have on paper, seems to be forgotten when you see how ergonomically delightful the aircraft is. Going to sell a bunch of these on emotion, which for most owner pilots, is a really big factor.
I totally agree. It's a delight. A lot of my scepticism vanished when I first went into one of their mockups. I may be taller and clumsier than the average pilot (ok, I am) but I find cockpit access a misery in most turbines. I would love to appear at the Society of Pedestal Designers annual conference and tell them just what I think of them. Cirrus have figured that there might be a market, when people are paying millions of dollars, for an airplane that provides a pleasant experience getting in and out of the driving seat.
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