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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 01 Mar 2018, 19:44 
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Were they able to pull that out with just one tug? For $2.31 a gallon I would have waited.

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Uhhh no. Turned out I got the story wrong. That was the second truck and it had fuel in it. It got stuck enroute. So the truck that ran out had to go back and refuel in order to finish me off. I have no idea how they are going to pull a fuel laden truck out of the mud.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Turbulence from the same Sirius XM receiver (GDL51) shown on two different displays. Aera 660 and iPad GP. They don’t agree on location. Hmmm. Same age (15 minutes). Same shape. :scratch:

PS..it was smooth the whole way. Both depict FL300


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Not enough of a fuel imbalance to prevent you from taking off and stopping for fuel along the way.


Possible but what would it accomplish? Add a cycle too.


Get you moving in the right direction instead of waiting. I didn’t know how long that wait would be. Would have been worse if they grounded you with min fuel in one tank and full fuel in the other.

I never worry that much about cycles.
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Myron F’s plane? :hide:


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KDFW corporate aviation. I placed a contract fuel order for $2.31 gal. The fuel release said to top by departure. They didn’t. Third in line. They ran out of fuel filling me. They had to go refuel truck. Texting and driving it got stuck in the mud. I kid you not.

I could get mad. Talk to a supervisor. But what’s the point. It happens.


I’m not sure why but Corporate Aviaton is notorious for being slow to fuel. Quick turn doesn’t exist in their vocabulary.


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For a quick turn and good kero prices hit KGPH in Kansas City. Great service and quick! $2.99 today it looks like.

Should be since FBO name is “Quick Turn Flight Support”. :D

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[youtube]https://youtu.be/Y-RtucvXukA[/youtube]ILS at KDFW from earlier this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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At SIMCOM for SPE recurrent. Today started with breakfast with my instructor. I am not above a bribe :lol: All systems work. Tiring. As always I learned a few things. Interesting to see how things change. E.g. used to be the only time you couldn’t cross feed was in descent. No more. Crossfeed anytime prior to FAF. Start process was 8% rpm then power levers over the gate to idle. Introducing fuel and light off. Now it is motor until Engine reaches about 14% then add fuel. More airflow, cooler start. Also watching fuel flow as an leading indicator of a hot start vs ITT.

The last hour of the day was debriefing my first sim ride at 8am tomorrow.

If you are interested here is the plan:

Start at FBO at JFK.
Variety of start issues: wet, hung, hot, generator, battery.

Weather 200ovc RVR 600

Clearance JFK4 dep wavey then rv practice area. Maintain 5k
Abort TO roll for some reason.
Steep turns 360. Both directions

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Clean
Departure
Landing

Unusual attitudes

Approaches
ILS 4L coupled
fly published missed
Hold

Engine fail in hold
Single engine approach
Single engine missed

Vectors ILS 4
Lose AP/ FD
Hand fly to SE landing

Depart 13R
V1 cuts
engine shut down
Engine restart

RV RNAV GPS Y 4R CTL31 R

Depart 4R V2 cut
RV 31L
AP fail over FAF
Raw data ILS
Land

4L departure
Blown tire on Take off.

Then debrief and ground school until 5.

Wish me luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Day 1 in sim complete. No major mistakes. Didn’t really sweat that hard although I was very busy. Single pilot and all. John L stopped by to audit the sim session. He was quiet as a church mouse. He did get the fun of setting my unusual attitudes. I am sure if he had free reign I would have been inverted but common sense prevailed. :lol:

He did laugh out loud when I made my final landing and went into beta pitch (thereby shutting off both engines. I have nearly 3000 hours in AC90s. Some things just die hard.

As we rolled down the runway a 777 emerged from the murk. The instructor forgot it was there. Being a ski racer it was no problem to slalom around the behemoth. All in a days work.

Thanks JL. :bud:

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That dreaded dual engine failure on rollout.

I don't know how you survived flying the CJ2 - no Beta, no TR's.

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Mark did a great job in the sim today. The V1 cut to the missed approach then AP fail then circle to land is definitely a deodorant tester.

I haven’t watched somebody else do this in a little airplane before and I learned a ton just sitting there.

What were the big things I walked away with? cockpit organization, pace and priorities.
Unlike when I’m the one wrestling with these problems. I got to sit back and observe the growing importance of each of these things as Mark’s workload increased.

Mark worked hard on this one (like all of us do) but he flew to ATP standards - cold! That is pretty impressive, I’m sure he’ll practice it a few more times and nail it without breaking a sweat.

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Thanks John. Fun having you along. Organization is important. As you saw I had the single card checklist, the emergency checklist and a bunch of approach plates that Simcom provides each student. The approach plates are 8.5 X 11 pages stapled together. It’s a bit of a cluster that we avoid in our own aircraft using technology (panel mounted or portable) The cabin isn’t large and when your buddy is riding along (and can’t be of any help) you also lose the one place you can put stuff. The copilot’s seat! :lol:

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