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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: The MU2 fleets flies about 30,000 hours/year, average flight is just under 1 hour. You do the math.
I'm not buying that a Ferrari is less of a car than a Camry because I see less of them on the road.
Mike C. I already told you I'm not buying YOUR numbers. They're not true. Ferrari's cost a lot more than a Camry. That's why you don't see them. Are you trying to compare and MU2 to a Ferrari? That's apples and oranges.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone not flying an MU2 sucks as a pilot. I had a much smaller population in mind. Quote: I'll bet you still fax your flight plans to ATC also. I send a telegram, sometimes pony express if the line is busy. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone not flying an MU2 sucks as a pilot. I had a much smaller population in mind. Quote: I'll bet you still fax your flight plans to ATC also. I send a telegram, sometimes pony express if the line is busy. Mike C. Ha. I don't think there's a smaller population of pilots than MU2 drivers.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: I already told you I'm not buying YOUR numbers. They're not true. I'll let the people who computed it know they are wrong and give them your contact info to get the right ones. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 11:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I already told you I'm not buying YOUR numbers. They're not true. I'll let the people who computed it know they are wrong and give them your contact info to get the right ones. Mike C. That's great.
In my experience, all these aviation numbers suck including the ones posted a few pages ago. Let's say they do have the engine times off the airframes. How do they know each flight is 1 hour?
There are 2 MU2's flying now.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: MU2 info - USA registered aircraft = 225 MHIA estimates 264 active MU2s worldwide, 208 in the US. Numbers from PROP seminar just held. Registrations have a mix of registered but not active, active but registration lapsed (like Trump's Citation X recently), so getting hard numbers is very difficult. Depends a lot on what "active" means. Quote: One of the larger operators based in Aiken lost his military contract so that eliminates his fleet from flying. Amusingly, I just met THREE professional pilots at PROP who fly MU2s at Tyndall, saying they get 500+ hours/year. In other words, I think your information is incorrect. As recently as 2 months ago, Air1st advertised an opening for a pilot for this contract. Quote: If you count the birds that Mike L and Resse have sitting around that number drops even more. Reese will be amused he has a fleet sitting somewhere. If you find it, please let him know where it is. Quote: I'd buy maybe 30 flights on a good day. There are 2 at our field that fly a combined 5-7 flights a week. Extrapolated to 208 active airplanes in the US, that's 90 flights/day average. Seems the 60/day number might not be so far off after all. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone not flying an MU2 sucks as a pilot. I had a much smaller population in mind. Mike C. You're quick Mike, made me laugh. Thanks.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason, I'd offer to take you flying in my MU2 so you could talk first hand about it, but I'd need you to sign a waiver first in case something happened.....you know because its always trying to kill people. Also, the automatic climate control is on the fritz so you'd have to wear shoes and socks. No "Pilatus shoes"....  I'm not bashing the MU2. I'm opposing Mike C's comments that anyone NOT flying an MU2 is a lousy pilot. There's an MU2 thread going on right now. I'm not in there bashing. I like MU2's. Always have.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why doesn't every plane have a SFAR then? Jets do. Its called a type rating. Which, hopefully, brings us back to the the fact SF50 will require one. For Eclipse, they have a "skill assessment" phase of the training which is designed to "determine readiness for type rating training". I imagine Cirrus will do the same. Pilots who don't pass are put into remedial training before the type rating can start. How many of the 500 position holders will pass? I could easily imagine a good number will be found deficient in IFR procedures and skills. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm opposing Mike C's comments that anyone NOT flying an MU2 is a lousy pilot. Sadly, you've wasted your time, and others, arguing against something that wasn't said. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why doesn't every plane have a SFAR then? Jets do. Its called a type rating. Mike C. Back up.....
If there's no "design flaw" with the MU2 then, why didn't it require a type rating from the get go just like a jet?
What about all your posts regarding freight dogs and lack of training etc. etc.?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 May 2016, 12:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back up..... No. It's all been said before. Search is your friend. Mike C.
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