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The 550 is slow enough to let that plan work out. :duck:


Yup...ONLY 40 kts faster than the 510 :D

(Do I have to fly off my SOE before I can talk smack?)

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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I certainly don't have any standing to comment on that but that there is funny!

Mark, definitely looks like it'll work and maybe you'll be able to cut the corner later on.


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Haha. In all seriousness I looked at the weather today and thought it's a good day to not fly to Dallas! How ironic.

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At what speed does FSI train the SIC to call V1?

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Y’all some disrespectful gangstas. Geez. Throwing shade on a man’s ride.


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Don't they have minimum speeds in the Flight Levels?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Good flight. Busy as I have been for a long time. The modified route was going to have us land with -150lbs. Not enough cushion for me. Making matters worse was there was a lot of low IFR in the area. I will post pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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My view. Topped at 250-300. I was at 340. Radar didn’t show a lot of scary stuff. So I said I would go direct Jonez and fly the SEEVR4. For the most part smooth. Btw I asked if anyone had tried that route. He said no. I said let me be the first. Soon as I did it every one else started down that route. Of course, running my ass over (as you guys noted I am slow).


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At what speed does FSI train the SIC to call V1?


This a trick question? At whatever speed V1 is calculated for your weight and flap setting.

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At what speed does FSI train the SIC to call V1?


This a trick question? At whatever speed V1 is calculated for your weight and flap setting.


Some operators call it five knots early to account for reaction lag. Some don't.
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The guy who taught my course was involved with a change at United to call V1 5kts early after several runway overruns in the industry.

The charts are based on “action” at V1 (to include some delay). When this commission (pilots, engineers, and FAA officials) did their study they learned that the captain’s action happened at +5 if the FO called at V1. Several incidents had crews who followed the procedure, but still went off the end.

The result was the airline FO calling 5 kts prior and that has reportedly eliminated the overrun issue when SOP is adhered to.

I don’t know which airlines do this, but my instructor and TCE seemed to feel strongly that it was industry standard.

“Officially”, Simcom teaches to call at V1 :ahem: I like the idea of 5 prior myself.

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Most problems within 5kts of V1 are better handled in the air.

Deciding what and when you will abort for during the takeoff has some value.

Below 80kts or 100kts I would abort for anything above those numbers not so much.

The V1 call should end right at V1, so starting the call at 5kts should be close.

The manufacturers will sometimes build in a cushion into the accelerate stop charts.

You have to dig to find it, can be 1 to 2 seconds travelled at V1.

This is not to be viewed as usable cushion. V1 is V1 no question.

Just like nothing good happens between midnight and 5 am nothing good happens after V1.


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