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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 01 Jul 2025, 08:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: And I don't need the turbos in the flat midwest I fly in. Buying a 601 and removing the turbos somehow feels sacrilegious to me. Turbos also give you better ROC to get higher if you run into ice. I love cruising in the teens. No traffic, less frequency changes as you are talking to Center. Above most of the cloud decks.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 01 Jul 2025, 13:05 |
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Joined: 01/23/18 Posts: 821 Post Likes: +1233
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Username Protected wrote: And I don't need the turbos in the flat midwest I fly in. Buying a 601 and removing the turbos somehow feels sacrilegious to me. Turbos also give you better ROC to get higher if you run into ice. I love cruising in the teens. No traffic, less frequency changes as you are talking to Center. Above most of the cloud decks.
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If you are going to run turbos, you might as well have pressurization.
Flying in the low 20s is really nice, cool, smooth air, and minimal traffic.
Pressurized means no mask and a lot less ear popping for passengers.
On the other hand, the beauty of the 600 is its simplicity, less systems means less stuff to break. A 600 with no boots, no prop deice, no radar and simple avionics is going to be wicked fast (boots add drag) and inexpensive to own and operate.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 01 Jul 2025, 13:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: And let's not get into the pro/cons of boots, and the never ending light planes in ice debates. I've done my own research and made a decision that works for me as to how I want my plane equipped. This reminds me of going on the internet to ask "How do I change a lightbulb?" only to be told that you should switch to LED bulbs or that sitting in the dark is more environmentally friendly.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 01 Jul 2025, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: And let's not get into the pro/cons of boots, and the never ending light planes in ice debates. I've done my own research and made a decision that works for me as to how I want my plane equipped. This reminds me of going on the internet to ask "How do I change a lightbulb?" only to be told that you should switch to LED bulbs or that sitting in the dark is more environmentally friendly.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 09:22 |
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Just a heads-up on availability of straight 600 Aerostars... check Controller.com; Forest Protection Ltd in New Brunswick, Canada has their fleet of 600 air attack bird dogs listed. Six ships ranging from $75-145k; they look to be in good shape, but will need a bit of work to get rid of the air attack equipment. Loudspeaker in the nose compartment anyone?
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 11:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just a heads-up on availability of straight 600 Aerostars... check Controller.com; Forest Protection Ltd in New Brunswick, Canada has their fleet of 600 air attack bird dogs listed. Six ships ranging from $75-145k; they look to be in good shape, but will need a bit of work to get rid of the air attack equipment. Loudspeaker in the nose compartment anyone? I called and talked to the DOM selling the planes. He sent me information and photos. Only one plane is flying. They are as-is and he believes they are airworthy, they are cannot be imported due to all their ‘improvements’ are not STC’ed in the USA, some have holes in the floor, the booted planes don’t have working boots, none of the autopilots work.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 25 Jul 2025, 12:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I called and talked to the DOM selling the planes. He sent me information and photos.
Only one plane is flying.
They are as-is and he believes they are airworthy, they are cannot be imported due to all their ‘improvements’ are not STC’ed in the USA, some have holes in the floor, the booted planes don’t have working boots, none of the autopilots work. Yep; a partner buddy and I were considering one of these awhile back, but, would have to undo all of their mods, then have an FAA DAR/DER inspect for TCDS conformity… would add a lot of hassle to acquiring one.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 14 Aug 2025, 23:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Good luck, Dennis.
There was no factory "known ice 600" since the icing certification was done by Piper after 600 production had ceased.
.. Thanks for the info. I don't care if my plane is legal FIKI, I just want a fighting chance if I get into icing, to buy myself a few minutes to get back out. Hence I'm really just looking for basic deice equipment: boots, props, I heard there's ice doors for the engines? A hotplate would be great but I spent years flying biplanes and don't need to see out the front to fly. Don't get me wrong, i'd love an official FIKI plane. I'm just not hung up on it. I have no requirement nor desire to launch into known ice. I actually found a few deiced 600's this summer. One had something like 12 or 14 thousand hours on it and was priced like a 3500 hour plane. One the guy sometimes annualed it and sometimes didn't. depending on how he felt...and the rest of the maintenance appeared to be done that way. (when I looked at it he had just flown a 1000 mile trip IFR and the plane had been out of annual for 2 years!) And then there are the Canadian ones that I can't seem to get a straight answer on as to the what the status of the deice systems is. (They just say "removed" but I think they are trying to underpromise because clearly some of them still have some of the equipment.) I may follow up on the Canadian ones since I like projects and could probably rehab one, but I need to sell some other planes first.
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