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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 17 Dec 2020, 21:24 |
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Joined: 05/13/14 Posts: 9209 Post Likes: +7735 Location: Central Texas (KTPL)
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Username Protected wrote: Why relocate to CA for mfg? I am having difficulty imagining Peter working with anyone (with experience/skills). Because that would be the dumbest possible place to do it, and Peter is all about doing things the hard way.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 00:02 |
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Joined: 04/26/13 Posts: 21972 Post Likes: +22648 Location: Columbus , IN (KBAK)
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Username Protected wrote: The fact that he thinks he is close to production is beyond me. But maybe he thinks the team there will help him solve some of the problems? What team? Does he actually have a team set up to start any kind of production? I’ve mostly just seen him, and heard about the ones he’s run off. Even if he did get a kit put together to sell, who in their right mind would buy it in anything close to its present form? The engine tuning is way off, the cooling system is a mess, it won’t pressurize, it’s either unstable or the flight controls are so poorly set up that it flies like it is, and it’s at least a thousand pounds above its target empty weight. Did I miss something? It’s going to take three or more iterations just to get it somewhere near workable, and that’s if he stops screwing around and addresses the problems. 
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 00:29 |
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Joined: 06/17/14 Posts: 6079 Post Likes: +2794 Location: KJYO
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Let’s hope he’s not “headed west” and remains safe. The Left Coast has a ton of Aerospace experts. Maybe he can pick up someone with Berkut experience. ... and listen to them!
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 00:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: ... and listen to them! Not a chance. Unfortunately, a refusal to listen is one trait Peter has demonstrated over and over.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 01:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is not out there currently. He isn't taking any deposits and has removed all specs and performance claims from the website a while ago. This link is absolutely still live on his website and from any google search relating to its specs: http://www.raptor-aircraft.com/specs.html
It looks like his max *cruise* speed is 230 knots, has it always been that way? Not sure how relevant the "max speed" number is, however wrong it is.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 02:27 |
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One of the problems with this project and it’s execution is that it holds high that golden cow of “disruption” as a be-all-and-end-all good in of itself.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 04:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: This link is absolutely still live on his website and from any google search relating to its specs: http://www.raptor-aircraft.com/specs.htmlIt looks like his max *cruise* speed is 230 knots, has it always been that way? Not sure how relevant the "max speed" number is, however wrong it is.[/quote] It looks like back in 2013 the webpage just has max cruise of 300 ktas . Then in 2014 the page changed to max cruise speed of 285 ktas and max range cruise of 230 ktas. It’s pretty comical at his range estimates.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 04:15 |
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this guy needs 5% of Bob Barrows' brain transplanted into him
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 07:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm baffled by the idea that he's drooping the ailerons so that they're in the correct position during flight, and that the first bit of rudder pedal travel just takes the slack out of the system. If the rudders on his are like the Velocity, then that's normal. The rudders only deflect outward and and aerodynamic force keeps them against the stops with the aid of a rather lightweight spring. The cables are kept a little loose to prevent them from holding the rudders out. So yeah, the first bit of travel does nothing. Maybe about 1/2" to an inch.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 14:53 |
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The disappearing stats shows he's probably wise to the fact that he's venturing into fraud territory. If he survives his "test flights" he's going to go the way of Jim Bede with his customers and his reputation.
Personally, I don't think he's going to survive. But then again, somehow Jerry Wagner is still alive.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 16:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: The disappearing stats shows he's probably wise to the fact that he's venturing into fraud territory. If he survives his "test flights" he's going to go the way of Jim Bede with his customers and his reputation.
Personally, I don't think he's going to survive. But then again, somehow Jerry Wagner is still alive. No where near fraud yet.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 19:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: This link is absolutely still live on his website and from any google search relating to its specs: http://www.raptor-aircraft.com/specs.htmlIt looks like his max *cruise* speed is 230 knots, has it always been that way? Not sure how relevant the "max speed" number is, however wrong it is.
It looks like back in 2013 the webpage just has max cruise of 300 ktas . Then in 2014 the page changed to max cruise speed of 285 ktas and max range cruise of 230 ktas.
It’s pretty comical at his range estimates.[/quote] Apparently that's with a turboprop
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 20:46 |
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Joined: 09/09/14 Posts: 944 Post Likes: +2096 Location: Grove Airport, Camas WA
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Username Protected wrote: No where near fraud yet. Not an attorney, but I can reference a law dictionary. If he's misrepresenting something that he knows isn't true, it's fraud. I'll let those of you with a JD parse the specifics, but all cases of fraud are essentially misrepresentation - claiming something has value that the defendant knows it does not. No honest person can claim that airplane will ever be capable of a 285 knot cruise.
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