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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35  Posted: 06 Oct 2016, 14:27 |
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This is not true, a TBM 930 starts at $3.9m and is fully loaded at $4.1m Username Protected wrote:
A call to a Piper dealer and a Google search give me a price between 2.8 and 2.9 for the M600; most of the 100K delta is dealing with radar and paint. Not many other options because the M600 is supposed to come with all options.
While the TBM 930 starts at 4.2 Million with a dealer telling me that it is more likely to come in at 4.5 Million.
That is a rather large delta.
And your comment about the TBM 700, is correct. TBM has moved up market with the 850, 900 and 930. Now Piper is filling the gap with the M600; my question is what will this mean for the market place?
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 06 Oct 2016, 14:32 |
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From TBM.aero website and most dealers will discount for sure.
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 06 Oct 2016, 22:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: You could buy a brand new Citation M2 for that. No kidding - if you didn't need Pilatus room that would be the 4M home run.
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 06 Oct 2016, 22:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just curious, do we have a Pirep on a new M600 yet? Sounded like a couple of people were considering buying one. At the MMOPA convention right now. They delivered serial #12 last week and are rolling 1 per week off the line per PIper. From one of the pilots here that came from an M500, says the plane exceeds all promised performance and exceeded his expectations. Played with the M600 G3000 panel, that is a lot of glass. 3 G3000 screens, 2 glass touch controllers and a glass Aspen Evolution backup, plus electroluminescent backlighting on the panel, lights up like Vegas on a Friday night. 
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 27 Oct 2016, 22:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I just caught up on this thread, very interesting discussion and I learned a few things about PA46 series. Definitely made me think that turbine pipers are under-rated.
One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? I was led to believe that it takes being a more skillful pilot to fly a SETP vs. SE piston. Besides, unusual attitudes recovery is a basic flying skill that gets repeatedly tested starting from private pilot check ride all the way through ATP and type ratings. Thousands of pilots flying out there all types of airplanes without killing themselves by getting into unusual attitudes. Is this something that becomes important in SETP world? Are we more susceptible to LOC situations in SETP or is it more difficult to recover?
Just curious.... Air France could have used envelope protection and they had professional pilots. A few pc12s and tbm's have been lost to structural failures due to LOC. From cubs to jets we find ways to lose control. Kevin
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 07:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? What plane has this?
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 07:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I just caught up on this thread, very interesting discussion and I learned a few things about PA46 series. Definitely made me think that turbine pipers are under-rated.
One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? I was led to believe that it takes being a more skillful pilot to fly a SETP vs. SE piston. Besides, unusual attitudes recovery is a basic flying skill that gets repeatedly tested starting from private pilot check ride all the way through ATP and type ratings. Thousands of pilots flying out there all types of airplanes without killing themselves by getting into unusual attitudes. Is this something that becomes important in SETP world? Are we more susceptible to LOC situations in SETP or is it more difficult to recover?
Just curious.... millions of people drive cars with air bags and arrive safely with no airbag deployment. Avoiding hitting things is a basic driving skill that everyone learns as a teenager.
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 07:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: I just caught up on this thread, very interesting discussion and I learned a few things about PA46 series. Definitely made me think that turbine pipers are under-rated.
One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? I was led to believe that it takes being a more skillful pilot to fly a SETP vs. SE piston. Besides, unusual attitudes recovery is a basic flying skill that gets repeatedly tested starting from private pilot check ride all the way through ATP and type ratings. Thousands of pilots flying out there all types of airplanes without killing themselves by getting into unusual attitudes. Is this something that becomes important in SETP world? Are we more susceptible to LOC situations in SETP or is it more difficult to recover?
Just curious.... SETP is easier then many piston planes to fly. However, things happen faster which can become overwhelming for some pilots. Envelop protection and many other items now appearing on the PA46 line started from Cirrus. These items all tend to help remind the pilot to fly the plane.... Tim
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 07:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? What plane has this?
Cirrus and now the PA46 line.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 07:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus and now the PA46 line.
Tim Cirrus is an SETP? PC12 doesn't have it.
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 08:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus and now the PA46 line.
Tim Cirrus is an SETP? PC12 doesn't have it.
I missed that he was asking about SETP specifically. In that case, I am fairly positive it is only the Piper M500/M600 line. I recall TBM announcing something about it for the 930 but I did not think it was the complete package.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: Piper announces the new M600 and improvements to the M35 Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 12:23 |
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TBM 900/930 and a think an update is available for TBM 850 G1000's Username Protected wrote: One thing puzzles me though... Why SETP pilots get so excited about envelope protection and autopilot automatically engaging to recover from unusual attitudes? What plane has this?
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