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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: The TBM 900 looks awesome, they will sell as much as they can produce.
I will be in FL next week for the US launch. The TBM 850 had about 850 ibs useful load with full fuel and I heard the 900 will be about the same. The 5 blade composite prop is actually 14-15 ibs heavier but then they added a new carbon fiber cowling so its probably a wash.
I heard they have 5 airplane ready to deliver and 4 will do the crossing together and be in FL next week.
Wow these winglets are sexy as hell, makes me want to work harder. Thanks for the useful load numbers Marc. That is indeed one awesome airplane. I guess I need to work harder as well.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 13:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you are using your unpaid tax dollars to fund some growth with the interest free loan, your earnings on that money COULD exceed the cost of depreciation. Very few businesses can pull this off, and buying new is usually a poor financial decision.
Do it because you WANT to. That is the only reason that makes sense over buying a year or two old. While I tend to agree with you that buying any piece of equipment used probably makes more financial sense in the long run, the most successful businesses are trying to improve profits in the short run. If you don't you may get run over by your competitors. Critical pieces of equipment need to have low risk.
Are lease options available on VLJ's or t-props for small business owners? I would think so, since my company leases it's King Air. I might think that would be a better long-term capital investment than purchasing. Then again, some of the advanced depreciation options may negate leasing advantages.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 13:46 |
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 14:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Are lease options available on VLJ's or t-props for small business owners? I would think so, since my company leases it's King Air. I might think that would be a better long-term capital investment than purchasing. Then again, some of the advanced depreciation options may negate leasing advantages. Depending on how your lease is written, you may have the same opportunities to depreciate available to you that outright purchase offers. I believe that there is a minimum term and there has to be a fixed price to take over the property at the end of the term (often $1). What you lose with that kind of lease is the lessor taking the risk of depreciation. It becomes simply a financing mechanism giving you access to relatively cheap capital.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 14:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wonder how much capacity TBM has in the factory. Seems like they have enough performance at the top end to bring out a lower end model. I bet a TBM 550 with a -35 engine would kill the Meridian. The TBM700 A through C2 variants are killing the Meridian. Why would they want to cannibalize sales of the 900 and negatively affect the strong resale values of their used fleet (which supports the price they can charge on the new model) ? Out of the 3.7mil list, the engine is maybe a million. What would the price difference (new, OEM pricing) between the -66D and a -35 ? Not much relative to the value of the rest of the plane.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 14:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why would they want to cannibalize sales of the 900 and negatively affect the strong resale values of their used fleet (which supports the price they can charge on the new model) ?
Out of the 3.7mil list, the engine is maybe a million. What would the price difference (new, OEM pricing) between the -66D and a -35 ? Not much relative to the value of the rest of the plane. You'd make it different enough to not cannibalize. Reduce the power/tankage such that you had a 275 kt, 1000m, plane. The cost difference between a small and big block PT6 is not minor. Decontent it a bit, take a somewhat lower margin and I bet they sell. Now they may already be selling all they can build at a nice margin...
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 15:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wonder how much capacity TBM has in the factory. Seems like they have enough performance at the top end to bring out a lower end model. I bet a TBM 550 with a -35 engine would kill the Meridian. The TBM700 A through C2 variants are killing the Meridian. Why would they want to cannibalize sales of the 900 and negatively affect the strong resale values of their used fleet (which supports the price they can charge on the new model) ? Out of the 3.7mil list, the engine is maybe a million. What would the price difference (new, OEM pricing) between the -66D and a -35 ? Not much relative to the value of the rest of the plane.
Wow, where do you get your facts?
New Meridians are selling very well, and at the same rate they have for years....about 30, which is the same rate of all the single turbine manufacturers.
Used Meridian are also selling very well. Premier Aircraft nearby sold 14 used Meridians in 2013 (all by themselves!), and another two deliveries so far this year. They actively seek new listings because they sell so well.
I think very highly of TBM, and I don't make any direct comparisons....but I absolutely love my Meridian and the smooth PT6 performance. It's by far the most reliable airplane I've ever owned.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 17:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: The fit on that pilot door sure doesn't look like it is in keeping with the rest of the plane! 
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 19:22 |
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The press release noted they have 10 sold to individuals and 30 to dealers. Dealers also believe they will be selling fast.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 20:33 |
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DAHER-SOCATA reveals the TBM 900 very fast turboprop aircraft After three years of development, the TBM 900 flies faster and farther Certified and already in production, the TBM 900 is ready for its first deliveries Tarbes, France, March 12, 2014 – DAHER-SOCATA today unveiled the newest member in its TBM family of very fast, single-engine turboprop business aircraft – the TBM 900 – which offers improved efficiency, an enhanced environment for both pilots and passengers, and superior performance without increased fuel consumption or additional engine power. Developed during a more than three-year program involving 160,000 research and development hours, along with 200 hours of flight testing, the TBM 900 has been certified and will be ready for deliveries beginning this month. DAHER-SOCATA has integrated 26 modifications in the TBM 900, building on the solid basis of its TBM aircraft family, including: Aerodynamic optimization through the addition of winglets and a vertical tailfin strake, as well as a new tail cone; The use of a five-blade composite propeller and redesigned spinner; A complete nose-to-firewall redesign for improved engine airflow circulation – featuring a banana-shaped air intake, carbon-fiber cowlings and new exhaust stacks; Enhanced human-machine interface features, ranging from an ergonomic control yoke with new functions to the restyled cockpit panel for increased visibility and interaction with secondary system controls; A revised cockpit center pedestal that incorporates a single-control throttle operation, associated with a new torque limiter that enables the use of 850 hp. engine power at takeoff; A completely revamped electrical system with 300-amp starter generator that allows new avionics and electronic devices to be incorporated on the aircraft. Its new electric core enables a semi-automatic start-up, while the new- generation 100-amp stand-by alternator provides electrical input in case of power supply loss; Increased passenger comfort, benefitting from lower cabin noise levels, an automated pressurization system and new-design seats.
Retaining primary airframe commonality with the predecessor TBM 850 – including its Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66D powerplant – the enhanced TBM 900 version ensures a proven airframe/engine combination. The TBM 900’s top cruise speed is increased to 330 KTAS at 28,000 ft., and its maximum range is extended to 1,730 naut. mi. with five adult passengers as a result of the fuel consumption reduction to 37 U.S. gallons per hour. By using the available 850 shp. engine power from takeoff, the aircraft’s ground roll is reduced – even in hot-and-high conditions – while its improved climb rate enables the 31,000-ft. ceiling to be reached in 18 minutes, 45 seconds. “Today, we are introducing a new aircraft to business aviation: the TBM 900, which benefits from the resources of DAHER and some USD 30 million of investment,” said Patrick Daher, Chairman and CEO of DAHER, at the aircraft’s reveal ceremony in Tarbes, France. “DAHER is a true aircraft manufacturer with full capabilities to manage complex programs, from design and development to production, delivery and after-sales support.” Stéphane Mayer, President and CEO of DAHER-SOCATA – the Aerospace & Defense activity of DAHER – said “the TBM 900 results from the company’s attention in listening to customers, and builds on the TBM 850’s success. This positions the company for its future in business aviation, as well as underscores the capabilities of the DAHER’s Aerospace & Defense activities”. “The TBM 900 provides a new competitive edge by delivering even more on the right combination of speed, performance, efficiency and fuel consumption,” said Nicolas Chabbert, the Senior Vice President of DAHER-SOCATA’s Airplane Business Unit. “As with the other TBM family members, it will be supported by our growing international network, and backed by the DAHER-SOCATA commitment to customer satisfaction.” Some of the TBM 900’s new elements are manufactured at DAHER-SOCATA’s aerostructures and systems production sites in France for composite components and piping. The optimization of this latest TBM family member was achieved through major efforts in modeling, including the use of computational fluid dynamics – enabling detailed assessments of airflow around the aircraft that replaced traditional wind tunnel testing. As a result, the TBM 900’s performance and handling was determined with high precision. Additionally, advance work conducted by DAHER-SOCATA facilitated the flight test phase and allowed an important time savings in research and development
_________________ Former Baron 58 owner. Pistons engines are for tractors.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 20:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: The TBM 900’s top cruise speed is increased to 330 KTAS at 28,000 ft., and its maximum range is extended to 1,730 naut. mi. with five adult passengers as a result of the fuel consumption reduction to 37 U.S. gallons per hour.
This is the only info anyone cares about.  Those numbers are outrageously impressive. They just smoked the VLJ market all the way up to CJ2+ or so.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 900 Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 20:58 |
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Joined: 03/01/09 Posts: 1287 Post Likes: +137 Company: Red Hawk Location: TVC - Traverse City, MI
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Username Protected wrote: The TBM 900’s top cruise speed is increased to 330 KTAS at 28,000 ft., and its maximum range is extended to 1,730 naut. mi. with five adult passengers as a result of the fuel consumption reduction to 37 U.S. gallons per hour.
This is the only info anyone cares about.  Those numbers are outrageously impressive. They just smoked the VLJ market all the way up to CJ2+ or so.
Yeah, one number in particular "1,730 nm"
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