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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 16:10 |
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Joined: 03/01/17 Posts: 1171 Post Likes: +742 Location: CA
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Username Protected wrote: 2 seat lancair/glasair/vans type experimental, except, with 2x rotax 912 and FIKI equipped. True personal traveling machine Have a chat with this guy!
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 16:54 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 3352 Post Likes: +4812 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: The Extra 500 single engine turboprop. 200 knots on 20 gallons per hour at FL 250, pressurized. I love the E500, too. So sad it never took off in greater numbers. Walter Extra sold the rights to some Chinese conglomerate and nobody's heard a word since. Not sure how many were built, but probably less than 10. IFR certified in Europe, but was never FAA certified for instruments, so if you fly one here you can only do VFR.
Pretty sure the M350 exceeds the performance of the Extra, and has much better avionics. Probably cheaper too, if they still made the extra. Can get one of those now. .
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 16:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: How much would a Cirrus cost if it was just the airframe, engine, and the equipment listed in 91.205?
To be certified, about 750K barebones. That would be the current list with no bells and whistles and a VFR six pack.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 16:58 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 3352 Post Likes: +4812 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: How much would a Cirrus cost if it was just the airframe, engine, and the equipment listed in 91.205?
To be certified, about 750K barebones. That would be the current list, pulling out the G1000 and accessories with no bells and whistles and a VFR six pack.
As a comparison, does anyone know what Piper sells their stripped down flight school PA28’s for? That would be a relevant number, hard to get more efficient with a relatively high volume and time tested PA28.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 17:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2 seat lancair/glasair/vans type experimental, except, with 2x rotax 912 and FIKI equipped. True personal traveling machine Have a chat with this guy!
https://generalaviationnews.com/2021/09 ... ine-rv-6a/
_________________ An Engineer's job is to say No. Until the check clears, then make a mountain from a molehill.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 11:53 |
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I think improved engines would automatically allow improved aircraft. A high reliability piston engine that can run on auto fuel would be a game changer.
The reliability has to come from better process control. From what I can tell, a correctly manufactured and assembled aircraft piston engine is extremely reliable - most of the problems seem to come from defects.
FDAC with auto-fuel could probably compensate for most of the performance loss from the lower octane and should be able to provide the pilot with estimated takeoff performance for the current conditions.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 12:30 |
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there is an engine being developed in south Africa a 280 to 320 hp 120 degree six using all grades of gasoline, that would fit in the niche for more hp than available presently from Rotax they are currently putting one on an aircraft in the US but it is not flying yet. Adept https://flyadept.co.za/there will be a representative in the evolution booth most of the week at Airventure. ask for Lee Brinley Username Protected wrote: I think improved engines would automatically allow improved aircraft. A high reliability piston engine that can run on auto fuel would be a game changer.
The reliability has to come from better process control. From what I can tell, a correctly manufactured and assembled aircraft piston engine is extremely reliable - most of the problems seem to come from defects.
FDAC with auto-fuel could probably compensate for most of the performance loss from the lower octane and should be able to provide the pilot with estimated takeoff performance for the current conditions.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 12:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Velocity V-twin is flying with a pair of the Delta hawk (now certified ) diesels. They claim 240KTAS and 12GPH... They also claimed "next year" for about 25 years. I only see 5 flights and the I think their best cruise speed is less than 160kts.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 12:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: there is an engine being developed in south Africa a 280 to 320 hp 120 degree six using all grades of gasoline, that would fit in the niche for more hp than available presently from Rotax they are currently putting one on an aircraft in the US but it is not flying yet. Adept https://flyadept.co.za/there will be a representative in the evolution booth most of the week at Airventure. ask for Lee Brinley They seem to be VERY proud of thier engines. Granted we need the reliability and utility of more power. (I would need 2). I dont see them going on the average GA plane in America.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 15:25 |
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from the stand point of who will want them, as long as there is 100 octane aviation fuel in the US and the present engines are supported, it will be almost impossible to justify getting rid of our present technology. in the US the cost of the conversion in a certified aircraft is prohibitive and negates any real savings. where 100 is not available overseas that is where this engine or a Jet a fueled diesel will be the best choice the Adept engine will be good for experimentals or orphans in the US like my Seabee where there is no good legacy engine choice Username Protected wrote: there is an engine being developed in south Africa a 280 to 320 hp 120 degree six using all grades of gasoline, that would fit in the niche for more hp than available presently from Rotax they are currently putting one on an aircraft in the US but it is not flying yet. Adept https://flyadept.co.za/there will be a representative in the evolution booth most of the week at Airventure. ask for Lee Brinley They seem to be VERY proud of thier engines. Granted we need the reliability and utility of more power. (I would need 2). I dont see them going on the average GA plane in America.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 19:45 |
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A sleek composite twin with a 340 cessna sized cabin, but a GTSIO-520 with fadec and 240ish kts. Also has to have a belted potty...4MM
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