BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 13:01

Username Protected wrote:

Is the 414A included in the wing SID program?

There is a spar strap that is required to be added at 9000 hours for the first 200 serial numbers, and 15,000 hours for the rest. This is a BIG job, but 15,000 hours is a long time. TAS says they will only agree to do one or two of these a year, since it is so tedious. I bet Cape Air has done more of these than anyone else. There was a more recent AD for an inspection of the carry-through spar, but my impression is that is not a big deal.

https://twincessna.org/414-prospective-owners/

Edit: 9000 hours would be the first 200 414; 414As would all be 15,000 hours.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 13:54

Linked article says typically 5 people with bags and full fuel.

The 414A I got to fly at Cessna wouldn't. It was typically equipped with known icing, radar, AC, and was more like 3 people with full fuel.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 14:17

Username Protected wrote:

Linked article says typically 5 people with bags and full fuel.

The 414A I got to fly at Cessna wouldn't. It was typically equipped with known icing, radar, AC, and was more like 3 people with full fuel.

That math doesn't work for the one I fly either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 14:26

It's Fun wathcin the Pissin Match :bugeye:

Spend Big Dollars........or Don't
Run em Hard or Don't :shrug:

My Hat is OFF to Each and Every One of You :bow:

, who Keep these BEAUTIFUL Legacy Twins in Flyable condition! :pilot:

A small percentage of Folks can Really justify the Expense of Aviation from an Economic Standpoint..............My Dad was one of them (CPA) by Trade :shrug:

But for the Rest? :bugeye:

It's a Love of Flying :pilot:

To Everyone Who Spends/wastes their Hard Earned Money on any Legacy Aircraft from an L4 to a Lear 23............It's Your Money, and You Earned it :pilot:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 14:33

Username Protected wrote:

Linked article says typically 5 people with bags and full fuel.

The 414A I got to fly at Cessna wouldn't. It was typically equipped with known icing, radar, AC, and was more like 3 people with full fuel.

Mine is 4 people with full fuel and bags. It does it fine even in the hot Oklahoma summer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 16:46

Username Protected wrote:

Linked article says typically 5 people with bags and full fuel.

The 414A I got to fly at Cessna wouldn't. It was typically equipped with known icing, radar, AC, and was more like 3 people with full fuel.

Mine is 4 people with full fuel and bags. It does it fine even in the hot Oklahoma summer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 19:21

Username Protected wrote:

Go with any questions, Ill answer best I can!!!!!!

Ok, I’ll bite…

Why a 414A and not a 421C?

Robert

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 19:44

Username Protected wrote:

Go with any questions, Ill answer best I can!!!!!!

Ok, I’ll bite…

Why a 414A and not a 421C?

Robert

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 20:18

That’s a shame, GTISO520 engines are very reliable and robust if maintained well and flown by a pilot with and IQ higher than room temperature.

Junk planes with bad maintenance and uneducated pilots created this OWT. I have 2,500 hours on two sets of GTISO520’s with no down time and never an AOG .

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 21:19

Username Protected wrote:

That’s a shame, GTISO520 engines are very reliable and robust if maintained well and flown by a pilot with and IQ higher than room temperature.

Junk planes with bad maintenance and uneducated pilots created this OWT. I have 2,500 hours on two sets of GTISO520’s with no down time and never an AOG .

Maybe he was referring to total cost of ownership instead of reliability? I know you haven't had an AOG, but I know someone who was AOG with a $5k issue that only affects the geared engines and wasn't related to poor operation (starter adapter failed.)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 21:47

Yes if wait you till the adapter goes? You replace them when they start to slip. Then there is no down time. The Ram VII HAS SIMILAR PROBLEMS.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 23:37

Username Protected wrote:

That’s a shame, GTISO520 engines are very reliable and robust if maintained well and flown by a pilot with and IQ higher than room temperature.

Junk planes with bad maintenance and uneducated pilots created this OWT. I have 2,500 hours on two sets of GTISO520’s with no down time and never an AOG .

Gerald,

You have had great experience with the GTISOs. Congratulations to you. I wish more pilots were as skilled and as educated as you. As most of us here, you believe you’re gods gift to aviation. I salute you Mr. GTISO 520 whisper, with out you we would all feel better about ourselves!!!!

:cheers:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2023, 23:45

Username Protected wrote:

Yes if wait you till the adapter goes? You replace them when they start to slip. Then there is no down time. The Ram VII HAS SIMILAR PROBLEMS.

Starter adapter problems are common to to 520s and 550s.

Gear box metal is GTISO specific.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Mar 2023, 00:34

For two perfectly maintained candidates, is the overhaul cost of the GTSIO-520 higher than the TIO-520? RAM has removed prices from their site, but I remember the GTSIO overhauls being quite a bit more last time I saw prices.