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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better?  Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 16:20 |
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T-38 cruised cross county at 0.9 MACH. But a long cross country leg was 1.6 hours. A-10 barber pole started at 450 indicated. MIGHT hit that straight down.  At FL220 it was barely 200 KIAS. Maybe 210. So 280 KTAS or so. A WHOPPING 0.46 MACH. But we had a BIG gun.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 17:52 |
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Those big guns make me raise an eyebrow when I am cruising down warthog alley. Especially when the maintenance guys are hanging around the front end.  Attachment: 41D29C52-A51E-4AF3-A259-E319543236B4.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 21:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: T-38 cruised cross county at 0.9 MACH. But a long cross country leg was 1.6 hours. A-10 barber pole started at 450 indicated. MIGHT hit that straight down. At FL220 it was barely 200 KIAS. Maybe 210. So 280 KTAS or so. A WHOPPING 0.46 MACH. But we had a BIG gun. Holy crap I never would have thought those things were so slow. I always knew they were heavy subsonic attack jets.. but really cruise is at 280ktas???? Lots of civilian owner flown turboprops will blow the doors off that. I would think they would be sitting ducks for SAMs
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 11 Oct 2022, 23:32 |
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727-200 M 0,88 but at 12,000 pounds per hour at 350 :-)
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 00:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's the smallest/cheapest thing that goes that fast? Smallest/cheapest usually means single pilot capable.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 00:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's the smallest/cheapest thing that goes that fast? Smallest/cheapest usually means single pilot capable.
Hawker Hunter?
No one said it had to be civilian. Or carry more than one.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 07:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's the smallest/cheapest thing that goes that fast? Smallest/cheapest usually means single pilot capable.
The fastest single pilot capable jet is the Phenom 300E. Here is Mach .8 at FL380 at ISA +1
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 09:53 |
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[/quote]
The fastest single pilot capable jet is the Phenom 300E. Here is Mach .8 at FL380 at ISA +1[/quote]
461 knot TAS……..oh baby!
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 09:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: The fastest single pilot capable jet is the Phenom 300E. Here is Mach .8 at FL380 at ISA +1 He said he wanted cheap. The Phenom 300 is not cheap. I'm still going with the Premier 1A. In fact a guy I know is about to buy one to add to his P180. I have to ask him why. It's not that much faster than the P180.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 10:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: He said he wanted cheap. The Phenom 300 is not cheap.
I'm still going with the Premier 1A. In fact a guy I know is about to buy one to add to his P180. I have to ask him why. It's not that much faster than the P180. It is cheap (for now)! It’s already appreciated by about 10% over what we paid for it in December 2020. It’s just expensive upfront.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 11:44 |
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The fastest single pilot capable jet is the Phenom 300E. Here is Mach .8 at FL380 at ISA +1
The fastest, civilian, single pilot capable jet has to be the Falcon 100. MMO .87. And that look... but fuel wise, the phenom is wayyyyy better,
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 12:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote:
The fastest single pilot capable jet is the Phenom 300E. Here is Mach .8 at FL380 at ISA +1
The fastest, civilian, single pilot capable jet has to be the Falcon 100. MMO .87. And that look... but fuel wise, the phenom is wayyyyy better, The Falcon 100 is single pilot capable? News to me.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 12:34 |
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The old L1011's were fast. We flew them around at .86. The computer would store a couple old flight plans, so you could page through them and see what other crews had been doing. One day a Chief Pilot was out flying and he paged through the computer and saw a flight plan in there at .90. So he called the old Captain in and said "hey why were you going .90?" The reply from the grumpy old Captain was "Because the POS wouldn't go any faster." I've always loved that story! Sorry for the thread creep.
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Post subject: Re: Jets with normal cruise of 0.7 mach or better? Posted: 12 Oct 2022, 12:35 |
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The Falcon 100 is single pilot capable? News to me.[/quote]
I believe that the Falcon 100 is single Pilot capable (maybe via exemption but I’m not sure)in Europe but not under FAA rules in the US.
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