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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 07 Jun 2021, 07:20 |
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Joined: 01/11/11 Posts: 1200 Post Likes: +610 Company: FUSION
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Username Protected wrote: Does anybody know if as well as ferry tanks they add a system so they can add oil? Fairly easy install. Place a plastic “garden pressure sprayer” on the copilot’s floor, filled with 100W. The hose goes through the firewall to the top of the engine’s oil filler neck (or modified oil cap). Knowing your engine consumption, hand-pump one quart of oil every so many hours 
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 07 Jun 2021, 18:53 |
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Joined: 02/23/17 Posts: 174 Post Likes: +45 Location: KSSF
Aircraft: T210N,182Q,310R
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You mean a piston engine needs oil added, must have a problem if it wont make it to oil change without adding oil.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 09:42 |
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Joined: 08/10/15 Posts: 607 Post Likes: +224
Aircraft: PA-18 & 206
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He had 146 gallons of fuel & landed with 10 remaining.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 10:54 |
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Joined: 01/15/11 Posts: 994 Post Likes: +996 Location: Elk City, OK
Aircraft: B55 P2 & 210
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Username Protected wrote: He had 146 gallons of fuel & landed with 10 remaining. Wow, that's 45 minutes to an hour left. That's cutting it a little closer than I would like. Then again, even though I have never had an engine quit spinning in the 28 years that I have owned my 210, I wouldn't go across an ocean even at gunpoint.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 11:08 |
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Joined: 06/09/09 Posts: 4438 Post Likes: +3303
Aircraft: C182P, Merlin IIIC
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Did anyone look at the winds for this flight? Looks like he must have had net near 0 headwind. I’ve looked at the winds often but usually at 260-280 and have never not seen a significant headwind for a westbound flight.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 19:42 |
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Joined: 02/21/18 Posts: 720 Post Likes: +1033 Location: Jandakot, Western Australia
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Username Protected wrote: He had 146 gallons of fuel & landed with 10 remaining. That seems like remarkably little fuel. I'm planning on carrying 260 gallons when I do it in my 182, and having about 30 remaining on landing. Is a 210 that much more efficient?
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 22:43 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 174 Post Likes: +79 Location: Camarillo, Ca.
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Username Protected wrote: He had 146 gallons of fuel & landed with 10 remaining. At 15 hrs. that's 9 gallons per hour, that's an LOP to the max, maybe 240 gallons?
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 22:48 |
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Joined: 09/09/13 Posts: 506 Post Likes: +689 Location: Ballarat, Australia
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Cutting it very fine. I bet he had some uncomfortable moments worrying about fuel.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 23:08 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7747 Post Likes: +5776 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Cutting it very fine. I bet he had some uncomfortable moments worrying about fuel. Bill Harrelson has the solution for that. Header tank used last with a sight gage - precise information without any reliance on electronics.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 09 Jun 2021, 00:40 |
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Joined: 12/07/17 Posts: 6976 Post Likes: +5868 Company: Malco Power Design Location: KLVJ
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Username Protected wrote: Cutting it very fine. I bet he had some uncomfortable moments worrying about fuel. Bill Harrelson has the solution for that. Header tank used last with a sight gage - precise information without any reliance on electronics.
Id be less concerned with knowing how much I had (my totalizers are dang near perfect at each fill up) and much more with just running out. I’m sure there had to be a long time there where he showed both negative FOD and negative fuel to return to California.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 09 Jun 2021, 21:24 |
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Joined: 08/28/10 Posts: 897 Post Likes: +741 Location: Anchorage, AK (PAMR)
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I’ve done 9 Bonanza round trips to the Hawaiian Islands, in three different airplanes, an N35, an A36TC, and our current V35TC, since 1975. Some remarks:
Most people take more gas than prudent. Reasonable would IMO be computed burn to destination plus another 10% enroute reserve, fuel to alternate, plus another 90-120 minutes. More than that decreases performance unnecessarily and adds risk. I carried 230 in the N35 and the V35TC, too much, 300 in the A36TC, way too much.
Most plan this at constant power, as I did my first 3 times. Finally I went to constant AoA, low altitude, high cruise power, step climbing as fuel consumed, reducing CAS but maintaining same KTAS all the way -while planned fuel flow would reduce by about a third. All LOP after initial climb through the pattern. Flown referencing computed KCAS for airplane weights as fuel was consumed.
There is generally a Pacific high pressure between mainland and Hawaii. Heading to Hilo, if the high is north of track, it’s a tailwind; if south it’s a headwind. Wind forecasts online are excellent.
A prudent fuel plan estimates fuel and time to waypoints all the way. The ETP, equal time point is computed according to winds and projected groundspeeds. Getting to early waypoints on more than 110% estimated fuel is a clue to turn around well before the ETP- by then it makes no difference.
The reality is that weight profoundly affects performance. The CAS for best range, Vldmax, varies with weight by formula. V2 = V1 (W2/W1)1/2 . SR, air mpg, varies by SR2= SR1 (W1/W2) . Knowing Vldmax and SR by one weight, you can compute for each 100Lb of fuel burn and make a spreadsheet. It’s all in the math, including weight and balance. My preferred CAS was 116% Vldmax for weight reducing computed SR by 4%.
Most flights go with a special flight permit for 15-30% over gross. That legality does not improve safety, instead it places all responsibility on the operator with very little added support.
I never saw oil go down more than a pint. Never pooped in the air. Consumed lots of fluids, voided into an empty jug 3-4 times on a 14 hour flight. Hydration is important, as well as oxygen, via nasal cannula above 5,000 feet, to stay sharp.
Aircraft deliveries through Hawaii to Asia are probably way down now that Russia is opening their facilities. An ATW flight by Shinji Maeda in a P35, w 20 gallon tips only, is now finishing successfully.
Crossing on 136 gallon fuel burn in a C210 sounds well planned and executed, perhaps a bit light on reserves.
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Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 14:13 |
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Joined: 03/23/14 Posts: 1080 Post Likes: +318 Location: LOIH
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Quote: - what you do if you need to take a number 2 and you're 11 hours from Hilo? 1. Fly alone 2. Go to the toilet before leaving the hotel. Even if you have to stay 60 minutes longer. 3. If 2 doesn't work, try again at the airport before departure. I always have some plastic bags and paper with me. The ones you can tie up properly. Never had to do nr 2 on a crossing. Yet.
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