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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21?  Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 13:25 |
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Amazing innovation. Congrats Cessna.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 14:50 |
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Looks basically like an interior upgrade to try to keep pace with the Phenom 300E from a cabin furnishings perspective. What am I missing?
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 15:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks basically like an interior upgrade to try to keep pace with the Phenom 300E from a cabin furnishings perspective. What am I missing? Nothing. That’s what it is. But according to Textron, its innovative. The same buzz word they used with 360. So be impressed.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 16:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is this the best they can do? Kept Pro-Line, they felt this would drive more sales? An insider told me the Pro-Line is so integrated into the CJ4 systems that unscrewing it and screwing in the Garmin 3000 is too expensive/complicated.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 16:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is this the best they can do? Kept Pro-Line, they felt this would drive more sales? An insider told me the Pro-Line is so integrated into the CJ4 systems that unscrewing it and screwing in the Garmin 3000 is too expensive/complicated.
Why can't they put the Proline Fusion in?
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 17:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why can't they put the Proline Fusion in? My guess is they plan to make the Garmin switch in a couple years; probably already in engineering. They needed to get the interior fixed ASAP as the Phenom 300 is eating their lunch.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 18:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why can't they put the Proline Fusion in? My guess is they plan to make the Garmin switch in a couple years; probably already in engineering. They needed to get the interior fixed ASAP as the Phenom 300 is eating their lunch.
At CJ3+, CJ4 & Phenom 300 level, Phenom tube is better/nicer as well.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 20:33 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Why can't they put the Proline Fusion in?
Why would anybody want Fusion, that would be a huge step backwards in my opinion - and yes, I have experience using it. If they aren’t moving toward Garmin then not moving is a better option. An abacus is a better option than Fusion, thought. Brad
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 20:37 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Why can't they put the Proline Fusion in?
Why would anybody want Fusion, that would be a huge step backwards in my opinion - and yes, I have experience using it. If they aren’t moving toward Garmin then not moving is a better option. An abacus is a better option than Fusion, thought. Brad
Really? I know some guys flying with the Fusion in a 604, and they love it. They say its a big improvement over the PL21 in the 605.
Garmin is great but I'd much rather stick with Collins, et al, when it comes to flying a "big" airplane.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 20:51 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Really? I know some guys flying with the Fusion in a 604, and they love it. They say its a big improvement over the PL21 in the 605.
Garmin is great but I'd much rather stick with Collins, et al, when it comes to flying a "big" airplane.
To each his/her own but it doesn’t get referred to as Proline “Confusion” for no reason. Brad
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 20:52 |
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Have you flown with Proline 21?
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 20:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have you flown with Proline 21? Not as much as Proline 4, G3000 and Honeywell Primus but yes. It was the avionics package in the Nextant converted Beechjet. I believe they have moved to G5000’s now but that may be incorrect. I’m not trying to be argumentative, it’s just my opinion. I would shy away from anything that had Fusion but you obviously like it - and that’s why there are multiple options. Brad
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 21:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have you flown with Proline 21? Not as much as Proline 4, G3000 and Honeywell Primus but yes. It was the avionics package in the Nextant converted Beechjet. I believe they have moved to G5000’s now but that may be incorrect. I’m not trying to be argumentative, it’s just my opinion. I would shy away from anything that had Fusion but you obviously like it - and that’s why there are multiple options. Brad
I've never used PL Fusion, only PL21 and PL21 Advanced, which is a great system. I am surprised to hear there is such a big difference.
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 09 Feb 2021, 21:36 |
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Username Protected wrote:
I've never used PL Fusion, only PL21 and PL21 Advanced, which is a great system. I am surprised to hear there is such a big difference.
I think that, like many things, it’s all in what you get used to and what you are comfortable with. Brad
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Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21? Posted: 10 Feb 2021, 10:22 |
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None of the tubes even compare to the pc24! Fit and finish is far superior to the 300 and cj4.
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