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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 07:12 |
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My 2012 Lycoming powered mirage ran fine LOP. I made my 1000nm commute 70% of the time. Was a great plane for me. Only reason I sold was for the fact that your still in the soup quite a bit of the time in the 20’s. Seemed I always needed another 2,000 feet to get into the sunshine. So I transitioned up to the Meridian, gave up my range, and found out that I still needed more altitude I really liked the Mirage, and although I lost range, I really loved the Meridian. For the cost of ownership, it is really hard to beat the Meridian. Back to the OP, the entire PA-46 fleet are very nice planes. Don’t let the UL deter you.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 12:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Worth every penny Most probably if an owner. But for us dreamers? Best, Tom
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 14:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: Misc question: How many hours at altitude does the O2 tank last? How many people? I don’t know the specific answer, but generally these airplanes’ O2 systems are sized to supply someone in every seat for the time needed to descend from high altitude to 10,000 feet, plus some reserve or fudge factor.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 14:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Misc question: How many hours at altitude does the O2 tank last? The Malibu is pressurized.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 14:34 |
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Joined: 06/02/15 Posts: 3713 Post Likes: +2555 Location: Fresno, CA (KFCH)
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Username Protected wrote: Worth every penny Most probably if an owner. But for us dreamers? Best, Tom
Agree. Also potential buyers that may become actual owners later on. I have a ton of questions related to model improvements/differences that would be helped by comparison chart and other materials.
Seems like an “associate” membership with somewhat reduced privileges or limited in time would be useful to offer at a reduced price.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 17:22 |
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I was weaving around buildups this Sunday going from KJGG to KFTW. I have a 1988 w/ the 550 engine and radar pod. Was burning about 16gph at FL220 on a +23C day.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 17:26 |
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I have at one time or another owned all the PA46's except the Malibu, which is a fine plane, but no longer produced. In the piston world, they are the ultimate piston aircraft that is still being produced. Your passengers really can't tell the difference sitting in the back from a Meridian/M500 or TBM, unless they know how to read the ASI and VSI. Quiet, comfortable and flies above most of the weather, making cross country flight so much less stressful. Someone mentioned personal airliner, and that is true. The range and payload in these aircraft is good, but if you do fill 5 or 6 seats, need to leave fuel behind. But at 7 hours of fuel for an M350, don't need all the fuel most of the time anyway. Here is non-stop Salt Lake area to Atlanta (1490 nm) in an unmodified Lycoming powered Mirage. These birds have long legs, even at 200 knots, on that long trip, handily beats anything I could do commercial, even with that trip being Delta hub to hub. Throw in ground transport, security, parking, suboptimal airports to destination, and you will probably not really want to fly commercial much at all. Attachment: KOGD to KLZU.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 17:37 |
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The piston PA46 glides pretty well, not as good as the turbine version, but still 14.4:1 glide ratio, so from 25,000ft, 60 nm no wind glide, so..... No parachute, but no excuse not to find a suitable airport if that were necessary.
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