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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission  Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 14:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'd want turbine, too. And there are some options starting in the $200-250K range. Some examples?
Mike T's Citation.
The latter (and probably the former) are good examples of "it's not just the purchase price that determines the overall expenses/affordability of the airplane..."
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 15:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think a bit more about the mission is needed here.
Weekly? If so than this is 250-300 hours per year plus any other flying.
How critical is the mission? How many scrapped flights due to maintenance is OK?
Are you hands on maintenance or drop it off kind of guy?
If your going to fly 300+ hours all weather per year its possible an older Jet Prop or early Meridian may actually put you money ahead in the long run even with finance charges.
Your mission fits the P46T well IMO. The trip would happen every 3 weeks or so. Head to NS, stay 3-5 days, head back to Ontario. Scrapped flights are a bummer but not a big deal. These are not business related, just keeping in touch with my aging parents/extended family. I'm a drop and run sort of fella mx wise. Know your strengths and weaknesses. Especially weaknesses! P46T would be fantastic. Truth be told i've never actually investigated financing something like that. I'm also a pay cash sort of guy. I wonder what the payments on a P46T would be 
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 16:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Surprised no one has mentioned a Malibu/Mirage.
Single engine, piston, pressurized and 650 miles would be a good operation for it. Would carry the 3 person load described. Not for under $150K TKS Mooney is an interesting idea. As for "pay cash kinda guy" ... might make more sense to finance a plane that is easy to sell, even with a problem, than to own a doorstop you cannot move quick.
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Forgot to mention when I first got into Mooney ownership there was an Ovation owner active on our email list that commuted year-round in his FIKI Ovation between Ohio and CT if my memory serves. He wrote up some of his more challenging flights in winter weather...his plane proved very capable but of course required thorough pre-flight planning and excellent ADM to make it work safely. I'm sure I could connect you if you want more detail. Very interesting! Could you PM his info maybe? Thanks!
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: A TKS Mooney would meet your needs and experience level nicely IMO. I'd recommend a FIKI Ovation (M20R) but a nice one will very likely be more than 150k. Operating cost will be lower than the other options discussed above. I'm partial to the pre-G1000 airframes to save cost and offer better upgrade options.
It would be a great stepping stone on your way to a SETP...after all, TBM started with Mooney 30-35 years ago! I like this idea. The performance data online varies a lot between sources. I think I looked at M20M briefly. So it would be reasonable to expect the M20R or M20M to both move my 600ish pounds 650 NM with reserves ?
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:13 |
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A 182 would do it easily. Useful load on mine is 777 with the tanks full (92 gal/88 usable). Just have to be fine with going 140-145kts
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Some examples? King Air C90, Commander 690, MU2-F, and Metro III have listings on controller.com for under $250K. They ain't going to be primo, and most are not in US, so this is bottom fishing. The best choice is an MU2-F model, a very decent airplane for the money and $250K will buy most examples of them. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 182 would do it easily. Useful load on mine is 777 with the tanks full (92 gal/88 usable). Just have to be fine with going 140-145kts That's about 5ish hours in the air? Would you say there are many advantages of a 182 over a M20R? Aside the age old HW LW debate?
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Post subject: Re: Help Match a Plane to this Mission Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 17:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: 182 advantages:
Much more difficult to land a 182 gear up.
Correspondingly, insurance tends to be less.
182 is a more forgiving airplane in the air and on a bounced landing.
Any A&P at any airport you're likely to land at has worked on a 182.
182 probably a much better short or unimproved field airplane.
You build more flight time in your logbook per trip.
Very easy to sell when you're done with it.
Keeps you more dry when loading it in the rain. Well done, those are distinct advantages. Can you get boots/tks on 182s?
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