BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 14:41

How’s Anguilla? Always wanted to go?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 14:55

Username Protected wrote:

If you call Avex to inquire about one of their planes they’ll give you a 5 year projection of maintenance costs based on required and recommended calendar and hour items. I found this service very useful. No matter what, it usually turns out to be around 40k/yr average. Years that don’t have 6 year items or a C check are less, when those are due it’s more.

I’ll also second the endorsement of TBMOPA. Lots of good info on the site, and I’ve gotten some very good help on the forums.

That's a very interesting data point Dennis. How many hours per year is that budget based on? Is that an all-inclusive # (annuals included)?

Are there other TBM owners who could weigh in on whether they feel this is a good budgetary estimate? $200K over a 5 year ownership period for all parts and maint costs? That certainly isn't cheap but isn't out of this world high either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 18:47

Username Protected wrote:

If you call Avex to inquire about one of their planes they’ll give you a 5 year projection of maintenance costs based on required and recommended calendar and hour items. I found this service very useful. No matter what, it usually turns out to be around 40k/yr average. Years that don’t have 6 year items or a C check are less, when those are due it’s more.

I’ll also second the endorsement of TBMOPA. Lots of good info on the site, and I’ve gotten some very good help on the forums.

That's a very interesting data point Dennis. How many hours per year is that budget based on? Is that an all-inclusive # (annuals included)?

Are there other TBM owners who could weigh in on whether they feel this is a good budgetary estimate? $200K over a 5 year ownership period for all parts and maint costs? That certainly isn't cheap but isn't out of this world high either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 19:23

Username Protected wrote:

That's a very interesting data point Dennis. How many hours per year is that budget based on? Is that an all-inclusive # (annuals included)?

They're figuring 200 hrs/yr. The analysis they gave me included a hot section, a 14 yr tail inspection, prop and O2 mask overhaul, some other stuff I don't recall at the moment, and 5 annuals. Another plane I looked had all the maintenance invoices, and it was pretty close to that number. It doesn't of course include any unscheduled maintenance.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 19:25

Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet Paul. Great information to have.

I added a couple changes to it to help paint a more complete picture.

1) Changed it to compare the same # of miles travelled for both planes
2) Added a debt service cost to account for the difference in how much $$ you have tied up in the plane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 20:39

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet Paul. Great information to have.

I added a couple changes to it to help paint a more complete picture.

1) Changed it to compare the same # of miles travelled for both planes
2) Added a debt service cost to account for the difference in how much $$ you have tied up in the plane.

Nicely done.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 21:40

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet Paul. Great information to have.

I added a couple changes to it to help paint a more complete picture.

1) Changed it to compare the same # of miles travelled for both planes
2) Added a debt service cost to account for the difference in how much $$ you have tied up in the plane.

I wish we had a 'sticky' thread for these spreadsheets, using a 'standard/common data requirement' list.
Over time we could see norms and outliers and eventually have very useful real world data, for many GA aircraft.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2019, 21:47

So how’s does that $40k/yr mx cost compare to the competition? I was always under the impression that TBMs were expensive when it came to annuals.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jan 2019, 07:47

Username Protected wrote:

So how’s does that $40k/yr mx cost compare to the competition? I was always under the impression that TBMs were expensive when it came to annuals.

Me too. I figured:
Insurance - 10k
Hangar - 5k
Taxes - 7k
Sim - 5k

That’s only 13k left for annual?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jan 2019, 07:56

Username Protected wrote:

So how’s does that $40k/yr mx cost compare to the competition? I was always under the impression that TBMs were expensive when it came to annuals.

Me too. I figured:
Insurance - 10k
Hangar - 5k
Taxes - 7k
Sim - 5k

That’s only 13k left for annual?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jan 2019, 15:24

But they're fast.
North bound from FL
Good winds today.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Feb 2019, 12:01

How much is an engine overhaul (to new limits) for a Malibu?

$55 / hour seems extremely high, especially when one can overhaul a TAT TN 550 for roughly half that figure.

What am I missing?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Feb 2019, 12:31

For Mirage, a Lycoming 540 with all the pipes factory reman is $86K w a core trade plus the install labor. These turbo-charged engines rarely go to the 2000 hr tbo and often require a top end at 1200-1500 hrs. $55 is probably conservative. I have a Continental 550 in my Malibu but it came with a low time engine so I have not investigated the cost.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Feb 2019, 13:07

Thanks, Paul.

The Malibu (the Continental variant) is the one aircraft that might get me to part with my TAT TN 550 A36.

I took a demo flight in a new M350 and really liked the aircraft. We went up to 21,000’ and explored the aircraft’s capabilities. I was impressed.

While the TSIO-550-C they use in the Malibu might be a bit pricier than overhaul for a TAT TN 550 I’m guessing it’s around $50k.

Regards,

Jim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Feb 2019, 15:53

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks, Paul.

The Malibu (the Continental variant) is the one aircraft that might get me to part with my TAT TN 550 A36.

I took a demo flight in a new M350 and really liked the aircraft. We went up to 21,000’ and explored the aircraft’s capabilities. I was impressed.

While the TSIO-550-C they use in the Malibu might be a bit pricier than overhaul for a TAT TN 550 I’m guessing it’s around $50k.

Regards,

Jim

I think the current factory overhaul is right at $49k but I believe it includes all accessories (maybe even the exhaust??).

New to us TBM