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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 20:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: 500K should get you a reasonably clean PA46 Malibu Mirage of a 2000-2002 vintage - maybe newer with some luck. It is also fairly fast and comfortable for what you are looking for.
Anything with a turbine (SETP) for this price range will have lots of catchup costs - ie a money pit. Alex what is the difference between a Mirage and a Malibu? Anyone here own and operate one of those? Luc,
You want to look at the differences between the Malibu, Mirage & Meridian. Keep away from the Matrix, which is not pressurized. Also, at 43' wing span, finding hangar space is a bit more challenging. Take a look at the wiki info on the planes...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-46
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 21:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Good looking plane. What are real world cruise speeds for such an animal?
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 21:47 |
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Before you go too far on a PA46, make sure you sit in one. I'm only about 6'0", but I've never found them particularly comfortable up front. I worked for a Piper dealer at one point, so I've flown the 310P, 350P and 500TP. The seat never slid back far enough for me because it hits the spar, so my knees were always up around the yoke (couldn't stretch them out at all). Never found it comfortable for longer flights.
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 21:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: An Experimental will be of very limited use and a far cry from meeting your mission requirements. There will also be a long laundry list of restrictions in planning any trips per 14CFR91.319. This Franken-Baron looks cool and is good for fly-ins, demo flights and air shows but that's about it.
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: Luc, would this get the same business and pleasure use as with Red Bo? Yes
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: A malibu basically has everything a turbo twin has minus six cylinders. Minus six cylinders.... And another vacuum pump, and another alternator, and another pressurization source, and another prop, and another fuel pump, and usually external baggage, and...
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: In this price range, if the OPEX is in the range you can live with:
David's MU-2. $395, I'm pretty sure it's FIKI but it's a twin.
The $105k can be used for initial ME ticket, SFAR required training and pay for SFAR recurrent for a decade. And probably still have a good bit left over to pay for a mentor pilot for whatever the insurance company wants.
(You may have to go to $532,843 to do this and paint it red) Funny! 
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:18 |
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In all seriousness, if your business requirements support it, it could be a decent setup.
RedBo for <300 mile solo trips where ice/turbulence isn't a problem. You won't lose so much time that the MU-2 makes more sense.
RedMu for > 300 miles, anticipated icing, or turbulence, as the Mu will handle the bumps better with higher wing loading.
Also, if you need to drag the whole IceCrew somewhere the Citation can't go, it's got the seats, the range and the speed.
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:27 |
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Luc, SETP adds lots of costs to fly Luc. That causes me to "need" a C185 for short and or fun trips. Hard to justify the cost to cycle a TP unless you're "Going" somewhere. If you could give up pressurized a FIKI Acclaim is Fast, can go high(when needed), and burns way less fuel or MX $. It will also do really well in the winter weather you face. Really like the CAV system. PM if you'd like any info. Looked at the Silver Eagle > no. Malibu/Mirage is a piston possibility for you like others have said. I find them prone to problems. They ask a lot out of the engine. Too much. Higher purchase cost and you can have a TBM A model and have a great bird. Good dispatch, speed and safety. Doesn't have the AD's, SB's and MX that the 30-40 year old twin TP's have, or the fuel flow  . The search is the most fun...
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Post subject: Re: 500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised? Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 22:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: A malibu basically has everything a turbo twin has minus six cylinders. Minus six cylinders.... And another vacuum pump, and another alternator, and another pressurization source, and another prop, and another fuel pump, and usually external baggage, and...
Malibu has dual vacuum pumps and dual alternators (and external baggage too). Actually, my point was not that the Malibu had capability equal to a twin, but cost inducing complexity equal to a twin.
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