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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 15 May 2015, 17:27 |
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Joined: 10/17/08 Posts: 586 Post Likes: +30 Location: Northeast Missouri
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Username Protected wrote: What is the distance from the nose of a short-body MU2 to the trailing edge of the tip tank? 20 feet. I think it's actually 19' 9", maybe 19' 10", but many have a trailing static wick there anyway. If you are really down to that last inch, you can get a soft/flexible static wick instead of a stiff one, I suppose. If you have 20' in the wing box of a T hangar, you can make it work. All other dimensions are easy, wingspan 39' 2", length 33' 3", height 12' 11". Here's the dimensions for borh short & long body MU2 from my Flight Safety Manual.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 15 May 2015, 17:55 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 7694 Post Likes: +5073 Location: Live in San Carlos, CA - based Hayward, CA KHWD
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Username Protected wrote: Here's the dimensions for borh short & long body MU2 from my Flight Safety Manual. Thanks for posting those. But Jesse's question was the right one - the limiting factor for whether the MU-2 will fit in a T hangar is the back of tip to nose dimension, which isn't drawn out in any of those. I have carefully measured mine in the hangar. For the short body, you need 20'. For the long body, my recollection is you need 24' (my large T is 54' x 44', and the 22' wing box depth can't fit a long body due to the tip tanks).
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 15 May 2015, 18:22 |
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Joined: 10/17/08 Posts: 586 Post Likes: +30 Location: Northeast Missouri
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Username Protected wrote: Here's the dimensions for both short & long body MU2 from my Flight Safety Manual. Thanks for posting those. But Jesse's question was the right one - the limiting factor for whether the MU-2 will fit in a T hangar is the back of tip to nose dimension, which isn't drawn out in any of those. I have carefully measured mine in the hangar. For the short body, you need 20'. For the long body, my recollection is you need 24' (my large T is 54' x 44', and the 22' wing box depth can't fit a long body due to the tip tanks). Understand Jon, mine was just fleshing out additional details that may be of interest. Too, best I can tell the FS diagrams are to scale, so measuring with a ruler onscreen is another way to calculate that dimension.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 16 May 2015, 12:12 |
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Joined: 10/11/12 Posts: 150 Post Likes: +44 Location: KABI
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I can offer VERY limited information on this subject, but could possibly be helpful......
I have seen a short body in and out of a 2300' strip, and it appeared to be somewhat painless.
There was a local company here some years back that flew a short body. They kept the same pilot thru the entire time of flying the plane. He had approx. 2000 hours in it and went to simulator recurrent training. He NEVER survived an engine failure on take off....... Something to think about.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 16 May 2015, 13:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: He had approx. 2000 hours in it and went to simulator recurrent training. He NEVER survived an engine failure on take off....... Something to think about. You misunderstood what he said, or he is a terrible pilot, or he is a liar. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 16 May 2015, 14:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: He had approx. 2000 hours in it and went to simulator recurrent training. He NEVER survived an engine failure on take off....... I'm assuming you mean he never survived an engine failure on takeoff in the sim(?). As long as the NTS system is working, I have flown away from every engine failure in the sim. If the NTS system is not working, then the airplane is not flyable on one engine (true of all TPE331 aircraft). But that's why verifying the NTS system is functioning is part of the engine start procedure for every flight. If it is not working, you don't go.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 16 May 2015, 14:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: If the NTS system is not working, then the airplane is not flyable on one engine (true of all TPE331 aircraft). True if below 300 ft AGL and below 150 knots. If you are higher, or faster, then you can fly away if NTS and engine fail at the same time. Key is quick recognition and feathering of failed engine manually. I've had ~20 combination engine and NTS failures in the sim. That is how I came to know the envelope of failure so well. There has never been an engine failure with NTS failure in an MU2 that I know of, so this is a super unlikely event. I have not heard of one for other TPE331 aircraft, either. NTS failure is definitely a no go item. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 16 May 2015, 16:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: True if below 300 ft AGL and below 150 knots. I guess most of the NTS failures in the sim happen below 300 AGL in my experience...
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 24 Jun 2015, 21:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: MU-2's are cool! Here's one going into Johnson Creek. BTW, having done the measurements on the map when i did my takeoff there, I estimate his takeoff roll to be between 1800-2000ft.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/om6yTgwvNQs[/youtube] I recognized the tail number on that MU2 right away. It visited my home strip quite a few years ago. The pilot is a BT member I believe. The aircraft has since been registered to a different name.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 24 Jun 2015, 21:49 |
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N5LJ (a shortbody, that was owned by the now-deceased airport owner) used to be based at N10, which is listed as 2880' but has tall trees at both ends. It was always cool watching the owner take off, he usually flew direct to FL after take off, so he had some fuel onboard.
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 27 Jun 2015, 21:43 |
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Well Geez, I love the MU-2, flown it about 500 hours, (had 135 PIC letter in the early 1990's) wish I could afford to own one. So you all don't think its a stupid idea, like flying into that strip, when a guy with a solitaire says you can't ? It is fools like this that drive our insurance rates up!
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Post subject: Re: Can a MU-2 land at this airport? Posted: 29 Jun 2015, 17:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: MU-2's are cool! Here's one going into Johnson Creek. BTW, having done the measurements on the map when i did my takeoff there, I estimate his takeoff roll to be between 1800-2000ft.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/om6yTgwvNQs[/youtube]
I recognized the tail number on that MU2 right away. It visited my home strip quite a few years ago. The pilot is a BT member I believe. The aircraft has since been registered to a different name.[/quote]
Same here. We tried to buy that one 5 years ago when it was in the South. Now its with new owner in the West.
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