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Or a TBM??

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You are at the skill level of a MU2 before you are at the skill level of a 421. Load both up on a hot day and fail an engine on both. The MU2 simply requires some training that is airplane specific. Other than that, it is easier to fly due to it's capability when wounded vs the 421.


Next step for me is a PC-12 when my business supports its..


I would say that a PC-12 is a very good choice and is the easiest plane to fly of anything mentioned here so far. I think a TBM is a good choice as well if you do not need the room.
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It's all Stewart's fault he shouldn't have let us sit in his plane Oshkosh this year.

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Carbon Cub and a 421 would be my idea of perfect....

MU2 for me. MU2 runs about same cost per mile as a 421 and isn't threatened by 100LL going away.

Carbon Cub is good, but perhaps a Mackey SQ2 for my second airplane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVimgxRVM08

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What's your thoughts on the Twin Commander?
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It's all Stewart's fault he shouldn't have let us sit in his plane Oshkosh this year.


That is sooooo true Matt...

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Carbon Cub is good, but perhaps a Mackey SQ2 for my second airplane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVimgxRVM08

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Can that SQ2 thingamajig be flown on the front side of the power curve as well? :duck:


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I love the twin Commanders but as some have noted the Va speed is a little low for the speeds that it capable of doing..

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Carbon Cub is good, but perhaps a Mackey SQ2 for my second airplane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVimgxRVM08

Mike C.


Can that SQ2 thingamajig be flown on the front side of the power curve as well? :duck:


That thing is insane!
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I'm pretty sure I need an SQ2 now. Yesterday I didn't even know it existed but today I NEED one...

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I am still looking at TBM's and PC 12's to replace my 421C.
Here is the problem.
Most of my flights are solo or with one passenger.
Most flights are less than 400NM.
Sometimes I like to fly low and see the countryside.
I do not like flying westbound at ALT. Into a 100 knot head wind.
I only fly the 421 100 hours per year, I have two other planes to fly.
If I need more room, press. And K-Ice I already have it.


If I had a continuous need to go far and fast, point to point a turbine would make sense.
If the tax laws change in the near future it will help because the Govt. Will pay for half of it.


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The commander is very cramped compared to the other aircraft in its class. I used to want one years ago but one look in the cabin and cockpit nixed the idea.


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What's your thoughts on the Twin Commander?

The practicality of finding hangar space for the thing can get challenging.

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Agree 100% but I'm not up to the skill level for an MU2 yet.....

Then you aren't up to the skill level of a 421, either.

I've flown both. Any pilot who can properly handle a 421 can handle an MU2. In many ways, the MU2 is easier.

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Can that SQ2 thingamajig be flown on the front side of the power curve as well? :duck:

Apparently not, never seen a video of that.

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