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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 00:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Wow Mark - good job. All this happened this afternoon? I think within the last hour or so.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 03:31 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14355 Post Likes: +12113 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Nice work Mark. Glad to hear it was uneventful. Well you are a role model in handling engine issues.  Having read your thread the least I could do was follow your example. You go to all that trouble right? Thankfully no tear down.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 03:35 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14355 Post Likes: +12113 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Ugh Explain the photo, Mark
Oil on shop floor after washing
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_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 04:01 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14355 Post Likes: +12113 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: What was the tip off? Master caution light, oil pressure or torque meter?
And how many quarts were remaining? Master caution. No possible chance of missing it. Of course you see that at every shutdown. Reach up and punch it off. When it pops on mid flight it is a bit shocking. Immediately looked at Annunicator panel. Soft glow of left engine oil pressure lo. Looked at pressure gauge. It was dropping like a stone. Told SIC we have lost oil pressure, get checklist out. Verified I had correct power lever and said I was shutting it down. Made the call to ATC that we had an emergency and needed to return to KDET. He said KPTK was closest and I thought bingo....service techs. He asked about souls and fuel and if I wanted to roll trucks. I said no to the trucks...honestly it’s not that big a deal. First time I had shut down one in the actual aircraft. No difference. Hardly any yaw. Confession: It’s noteworthy that it was flipping freezing in KDET. Like 0F. I asked the SIC to check the oil. Why not make himself useful no? He is 6’6”. As we walked out to plane he randomly rechecked the left engine. For a nano second it crossed my mind to check but it was so cold I passed. Three years ago I left a dip stick loose on an engine check and after about a 30 second run I found oil everywhere. When we had the problem tonight I immediately knew what it was. All I could think of was 1) I knew I should of checked 2)how hard is to do it correctly 3) I wonder if the other one is going to have the same issue. When I landed I wasn’t mad or vexed. I just said let’s have a look and see what we have. Stick was out of position. Oil everywhere. Tried hard not to make him feel bad. Said we caught it in time. No harm no foul. Done it myself. This guy is working on becoming an airline pilot. Hate to crush his dream at this stage. Clearly he was sick about it. Mechanic does his work. Goes to replace the stick and notices it doesn’t latch tightly. He can wiggle it out. Other mechanic says he seen this before and finds the safety tabs deformed. Some nifty work and a bit of safety wire and we are back in business. The right engine cap was properly locked. Since he check that too I know he knows how to do it correctly. I really think he did it right and the problem was with the cap. He is still shook but is feeling a bit better.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 07:23 |
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Flown like a boss Mark, well done.
From the comfort of my couch, fireplace on, it’s noteworthy how many incidents happen when something causes us to be outside of our normal: it’s really cold, VIP in the back, fuel or handling fees to high at KABC, have to attend that board meeting, non pilot SIC, chattery/restless grandkids on board, etc etc. I’m training myself to consciously slow down when any of these out of norm parameters are present. My latest was that the snow clearing crew had left a dam of sorts in front of my hangar door. Took quite a bit to get the plane out. One of the reasons I abolsutely love the checklist handwritten addenda by his wife from a BT’er. Words to the extent of : we love you, please be careful and focus.
Well done Mark!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 07:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: From FA
I do have video of the landing. I want to hear the swearing when you saw the oil pressure dropping 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 09:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: From FA
I do have video of the landing. Well done Mark. That will be “the” video. 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 10:30 |
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Do the tabs deform from people not being careful when reinstalling, ie ham-fisted? Is the cap visible when being installed or is it more of reaching up in and doing it by feel?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 10:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Do the tabs deform from people not being careful when reinstalling, ie ham-fisted? Is the cap visible when being installed or is it more of reaching up in and doing it by feel? I don’t get the sense it is ham-fisted. It’s just fatigue over time. The cap is visable for some. Less so for others. My SIC is 6’6”. He has no problem seeing it.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 10:56 |
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You'd think they would have a sight glass for checking oil.
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