Ok, what's your maintenance cost for a year?

Saving .15 in time is not saving money. That flight in the CJ3 will burn 2X the gas.

I've flown Atlanta to California in 6 hours and I've flown California back to Atlanta in 6 hours. It doesn't take 3 days.

You gotta stop with the "a PC12 can fit inside a KA350" comments. You're way off. Wanting to believe and reality are not the same thing. Can't you just post legit numbers and not have such and agenda?

Ok, what's your maintenance cost for a year?

When did you become so confrontational?

What agenda do I have? I did one PC12 this year and NO CJ3's... what would be my motivation or agenda?

I didn't say it takes three days to fly to Cali? I said the owners of the CJ4 can do in two days what would have taken three in the King Air 350.

They didn't consider a Pilatus... their decision, not mine.

The numbers you posted are way off. You know they're way off. Why even post them?

The numbers you posted are way off. You know they're way off. Why even post them?

PC12 operators are paying more for JetA than CJ3 operators?

No PC12 operator is paying $35K a year in insurance as I think I may be paying more than any other PC12 operator for insurance. There's only 1 company that will insure me at $25MM and I pay $24K for that.

Happ/Mapp warranty is $19K per year and it covers a tremendous amount of stuff that breaks. I've had issues this year with VNAV, pressurization valves and radar this year.... all covered.

Hangar is $1400 a month

Simcom is about $3K as I go with a buddy and we get a 2 person discount

JetA is averaging about $3.20 a gallon

What did I miss?

Annual Maintenance for 300 hours a year of flying.

I corrected the fuel cost mistake. They use $4.25 and I use $3.65 (seems to be a good average)

I thought the insurance looked high.

You still have airframe MX at $75K a year.

You still have "engine and APU MX" at $39K and mine is 0.

You still have insurance at $34K and mine is $24K. My insurance could be $15K if I accepted $10MM in liability.

I'm told by multiple sources that EPPS or Banyan it'll be $75k... you haven't given us anything to the contrary.

What does it cost to do a HOT and Overhaul... divide that buy 3500 and that's your hourly engine cost. No such thing as 0 engine MX.

I'll change the insurance when I have time.

APU on a CJ3?

My last annual was $16K.

Happ Mapp is $19K

Why is CJ3 airframe MX $40K and PC12 $70K?

APU on a CJ3?

I've got a 2006 PC-12/47. I love it but, from my experience, it's a myth that it's substantally less expensive to run (on a per mile basis) than a Cessna branded jet in any class from CJ3 on down.

I run the Pilatus about 325 hrs/year. Do the annual and 150 hour.

MX has averaged (with no corner cutting) between $50-60k annually.

I have self insured on the HAPP stuff (and gotten lucky so far). Otherwise, add about $20k.

My insurance is similar to Jason's because I also run with very high smooth liability limits.

The engine reserve/cost is actually quite high - even though there's only one, it's an expensive hot section and overhaul cost and TBO is a relatively short 3500 hours (remember there's fewer miles per hour compared to a jet so, on a per mile basis, you hit these costs sooner).

With Pilatus you ARE getting all your service at an authorized Pilatus service center. I use EPPS. Great service that comes at great cost. With a Cessna product, you can do much of the work at independents at 2/3 the hourly charge.

There's also a number of expensive mandatory inspections and overhauls. The trim actuator is one. In February, I'll be doing the $10k wing pull (which, I have been told has NEVER resulted in any needed repairs). That's the Swiss way and, I suppose, from one perspective that's a good thing.

The PC-12 has many great attributes. Love the cargo door, the big cabin (compared to the Citation "tube"), airstair, airfield flexibility and resale value (I've been offered more than I paid four years ago).

But, it ain't cheap to operate compared to most of the legacy Cessna brand jets all the way up to the CJ3.

I don't know how you self insure on the Happ/Mapp stuff except maybe it's different for a Legacy PC12. I've had several AGM's/Boxes crap out that were $150K not under warranty.

Penman got his hot section done for not very much $$

If I get a CJ3 I'll still be using Epps for MX.

And.... nothing costs more than depreciation. I've lost nothing on my PC12. If you lose $200K a year on a CJ3 divided by 200 hours is $1000 an hour.