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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 27 May 2018, 21:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: No contest, get the 421. There is one major feature a 340 has over a 421. You can fly the 340 under BasicMed. Not so with the 421. Something to consider... Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 27 May 2018, 21:58 |
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I've operated my 340 for 2 years and its been a great machine, but requires a good bit of maintenance. There is always something to fix, but it is rarely more than something small, like an egt probe. If I had a need to ever carry more than 4 people on a regular basis, the 421 would be my choice. I see no reason why the 421 would cost any more to operate, aside from the geared engines being a bit more expensive, and using more fuel. I actually think the simpler fuel system in the 421C might make it a bit cheaper, seeing that there quite a few more fuel pumps in the 340. The 340 will be able to operate off of shorter runways, but rarely will that be a factor for most people. The 421 will be significantly quieter, and will have a greater differential pressure which will allow it to operate a bit higher if needed. If my runway length would allow it, I would be flying a 421 now.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 28 May 2018, 12:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have to ask, can a 421 be flown with lower operating costs than a King Air model with similar capacity and performance? From what I’ve seen 414/421 charter for $750/hr range. C90 are similar speed and substantially more expensive. Calendar items will especially kill a low utilization private owner on a KA
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 28 May 2018, 12:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have to ask, can a 421 be flown with lower operating costs than a King Air model with similar capacity and performance? I think so. The King Air is slow and expensive. I think the 421 cost per mile will be less, say about 60% the cost of a King Air 90. There are turbine options that approach the cost of a 421, but the King Air isn't one of them. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 29 May 2018, 21:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: After reading 19 pages of this old but fantastic thread, I am still on the fence between a 340 or 421...  The 340 makes more sense based on the profile, 2 to 4 (sometimes 6) passengers doing 100-400 mile trips with a few 1200 miles thrown in throughout the year. Operating costs are similar. Acquisition costs seem close. What does a 340 do significantly better when compared with the 421? Looks and fitting in a standard hangar aside. Help  With GW under 6000, the 340 could be flown under Basic Med.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 29 May 2018, 23:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: With GW under 6000, the 340 could be flown under Basic Med.
With limitations on altitude... BasicMed also restricts pilots to operating no faster than 250 KIAS and no higher than 18,000 feet MSL per § 61.113(i)(2). However, these restrictions do not relate to the operating limitations of the aircraft. It is permissible to fly an aircraft under BasicMed that is capable of flying faster and/or higher than those limits as long as the aircraft can be safely flown within them, and as long as the flight is conducted according to the regulations.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 04 Jun 2018, 18:51 |
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The 340 has the same pressure differntial (4.2) as my Aerostar (4.25) I usually fly between 16 and 18K
At 22K everything is a bit hotter, its not much faster and the difference in cabin altitude makes for a more tiring day.
22K -> 9200ft cabin. 17500 ->6200 ft cabin.
If the weather is good, VFR at 17,500 is pretty awesome, you can go over all the class B's, C's, many of the tiny ground based restricted areas etc... almost no traffic at that altitude too high for most of the pistons and too low for the turboprops...
You are also high enough that you clear all terrain and can go straight as an arrow direct...
In Socal I can usually save 15 minutes of random vectoring by going VFR... Now if the weather is not perfect, its a different story...
Paul
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jun 2018, 22:05 |
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It is 600 vs 700 vs 800 dollars per hour.
Otherwise not much of a difference.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 12:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is 600 vs 700 vs 800 dollars per hour.
Otherwise not much of a difference. I doubt you'll see $1/hour difference in the 340/414 as they are virtually the same systems on slightly different fuselages. Having operated a 340, 414 and a 421C, I doubt you would see a noticeable difference in them either. There is a 400 hour AD on the 421 starter adapters that will cost a couple dollars to comply with, but is offset by the lower cost of cylinder issues. All of the wet wing Cessna's have a fuel valve AD, but the cost is relatively insignificant. I wouldn't pick one or the other based on cost per hour.... The 421 is the nicest of the fleet, and would be my first choice of ownership as it's much quieter, and the engines run significantly cooler... Jason
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