For those comparing a 10 year old Cirrus versus a 10yr old Bonanza they are very different price points.
The price of the Cirrus has gone up between 25 and 50K with each of the first 4 generations. When the SR22 first came out it was in the high 300K range from what I recall. As a result a Cirrus SR22 G1 was over 300K cheaper than the Bonanza. That makes a huge difference....

You will see this when you compare each generation of the Cirrus, the percentage depreciation is about the same as all aircraft. Even new Bonanza or Cessna. There are just so many more Cirri that you notice.

Tim

Facts, statistics, baloney!

We're here to talk about emotions

I can think of a few things the Cirrus will do that the Baron will not.
1. Land safely with no passenger injuries after the pilot has a heart attack
2. Get in and out of runways less than 2K in length.
3. Fly at 70 knots up the Hudson river so passengers can sight see.

Now, on the flip side. Here are a few things the Baron can do which the Cirrus cannot:
1. Fly with four large adults non-stop for a few hours
2. Fly non-stop approaching 1000nm
3. Have on board radar

Tim

+1

I can think of a few things the Cirrus will do that the Baron will not.
1. Land safely with no passenger injuries after the pilot has a heart attack
2. Get in and out of runways less than 2K in length.
3. Fly at 70 knots up the Hudson river so passengers can sight see.

Tim

Tim, I'll take that bet on all three fronts. Bring me your typical Cirrus owner and let's go. I'll fly into any runway they want to fly into and I'll fly formation with them on the Hudson.

Not with me as PIC - that 80 knot short final speed and my love for long lasting break pads will keep me out of 2,000' runways.

Marcus, are you with the men or the boys on this one? Come on man!

Oh yeah, if I don't even land at 70 I'm not doing that for sightseeing either - just a little point. Your #1 is very strong Tim.

AG

well, if flying the baron with same options as cirrus - i.e. if lose a motor then coming down, you can put flaps down for T/O, rotate at 65-70 its, and out T/O any cirrus ever made with 4 adults on board!!
Amazing how we compare twins above red line performance with singles - c'mon!!
That 600HP in the baron does mean something!

I'll take the Duke into a short-field competition against any Baron, have had my fair share of failures.. engine, A/P, trim, vacuum, etc.. but i'm also 37 and a computer engineer freak who enjoys gadgets and can appreciate the neat functions the Cirri delivers.

I understand Alejandro's choice, great value, that might be me in 1-2 years when the deltahawk engines get approved. I no longer need my 6 seats unless i'm running charter ops.

I don't get why this has to be an argument of 'us' vs 'them'. We're pilots, brothers.

My post was tongue in cheek.

Thread title, Cirrus so far out in front... my point is in actual mission completion, with actual pilots having to perform, not just pointing to a spec sheet, they are not way out in front of the rest of us.

The mentality of, "Look at all my fancy gadgets on my $800k airplane, I am a great pilot and can do anything" is truly a joke. YMMV.

I don't think it should be an argument about the best plane, they're so different.

But I do wish 2 things:

1. That Beechcraft management be completely replaced; R&D through the marketing department are not doing justice to the brand IMHO.

2. That Cirrus becomes an American owned enterprise.

AG

Tim, I'll take that bet on all three fronts. Bring me your typical Cirrus owner and let's go. I'll fly into any runway they want to fly into and I'll fly formation with them on the Hudson.

Id be more concerned about finding someone for the Cirrus... i think one Cirrus guy who went sight seeing up the hudson wound up in the side of a building...