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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
PostPosted: 09 Oct 2020, 09:12 
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Without narcissism mankind would still be in the stone age... :whiteflag:
It is part of the secret sauce to make big things...


There would be a whole lot of airline captain positions open.

Don't mistake confidence for arrogance, or intolerance for stupidity as narcissism.

There's a fine line on both.

And yes, both are required to function properly as not only an airline pilot, including the captain, but also in business, and innovation.

When I see B.S., I call it out, confront it, fix it, remove it from the equation, and move on. It's made me successful enough to make it to the top of the airline food chain (hopefully I keep my seat through all this), create a successful and thriving company on the side, and minimize stupidity on things I do with my aircraft, including firing people who screw up in a way that shows either ignorance or stupidity or incompetence.

The problem here is the hubris. He's tipped from confidence to arrogance that everyone else with more experience than him is wrong. THAT is the delineating line on those, in my opinion. The inability to stop and say "hey, someone says this is wrong, let me get a 2nd and 3rd opinion", or to take those opinions.

That's why at the airline we have Chief Pilots. If you see something that doesn't look right, you ask the F/O. If he or she says "Yeah, I'm not sure" or "no that doesn't look right", you pick up the phone and call the Chief Pilot as a tie breaker because you can't know everything.

That's where Peter is failing (has failed a while back) when the 3rd or 4th aerodynamic band-aid was applied when others said he needed to re-design completely.

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Here’s a guy who’s extremely grandiose, believing he can design and build an airframe/engine combination that’s never been tried before and obtain such amazing results as 3600 nm range at 300 knots on 5 gph (or whatever it was). He posts everything for the world to see, collecting compliments and fans who encourage him. When criticized, he lashes out. When his first “flight” verifies everything the critics have said, he doubles down.

Has anyone considered the possibility that he has a narcissistic personality disorder and shouldn’t have a Class 3 Medical?


As someone who got a 3rd Class Medical yesterday ( thanks Dr. Blue), I feel that this viewpoint is appropriate.

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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The problem here is the hubris. He's tipped from confidence to arrogance that everyone else with more experience than him is wrong. THAT is the delineating line on those, in my opinion. The inability to stop and say "hey, someone says this is wrong, let me get a 2nd and 3rd opinion", or to take those opinions.

It's an interesting time for Peter. I agree with the observations that he scared himself on that flight. Clearly there are problems with inadequate power, powerplant cooling (with the inlet closed‽), and probably stability or at least flight control response which he doesn't understand in the least. He can twiddle with the engine to make it stop overheating, but his comments at the end of the last video were telling. He is again talking about finding someone else to test fly the plane (on the cheap of course). The problem is that he won't want to hear their proposals (if they are qualified enough to give them). What I think he wants is a surrogate butt to fly his changes so that he doesn't have to go up in it again. Someone who will fly, observe, record, and quietly report back. Then he will make whatever changes he wants and send them up again to take all of the risk. I'll politely decline that offer thank you.

Someone from outside of his world looking in objectively would, assuming they wanted to pursue the venture, start addressing the individual problem areas systematically, using real experts to guide the work. Powerplant experts to set up the engine, and test cell runs to validate its output. Cooling analysis using thermodynamic tools to identify problems with the cooling system and ways to correct them. Aerodynamic testing of the airframe as it exists, in a wind tunnel or otherwise, along with a pitot that provides accurate and trustworthy data. There is nothing here that can't be fixed. Even the weight issue can be fixed in prototype #2 after some careful analysis and creative thinking, but these are things that Peter is not capable of doing himself, and even if he had the money, which he doesn't, he wouldn't want other people telling him what to do, especially if it conflicts with what he thinks.

There are at least two problems here, and they feed on each other. Peter wants to be in charge of all of this project, and he knows he has a very limited and dwindling budget to work with, so he's not going to take the most effective path because he can't afford the money or the time, and that fits just fine with his desire to be the one calling all of the shots.

I doubt that he'll find a suitable test pilot, and I hope he doesn't find any volunteers just for their own safety's sake. The rest will unfortunately take care of itself. He's trying to build a sand castle and the tide is slowly rising. It's an interesting challenge at first, but in the end the ocean is going to win. How much of the castle is left when it's all over is yet to be seen, but the path that he's on is a dead end, and he's not willing to turn from it.

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Yuri, it’s a gyro stabilized camera. It stays relatively upright while the plane moves around it, like the AI. You can see the background stays pretty stabile in the frame.


Oh, ok, this makes sense. Aren't those things a bit too big and heavy to be mounted on the exterior though?


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Yuri, it’s a gyro stabilized camera. It stays relatively upright while the plane moves around it, like the AI. You can see the background stays pretty stabile in the frame.


Oh, ok, this makes sense. Aren't those things a bit too big and heavy to be mounted on the exterior though?

No, they have smaller gyro stabilized cameras.

What you are seeing that looks like camera wobble isn't... it's the airplane dutch rolling and porpoising badly. It's exceptionally unstable in pitch and roll and he can barely keep it under control while barely able to climb to pattern altitude maintaining airspeed.

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Since were talking about personality disorders... What disorder do I have that compels me to watch these videos. His flight almost exactly met my expectations. And if he tries to fly it and put the gear up, I am also pretty confident what will happen. None of it surprises me.

There is nothing for me to learn from watching Peter. Exactly the reason I don't watch reality TV. What disorder keeps me coming back to watch these? It must be a pretty common ailment, because we have nearly 200 pages on BT and he gets 1000s of views on Youtube... Will "did you watch Raptor videos" be a question on Med-Express?

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Since were talking about personality disorders... What disorder do I have that compels me to watch these videos. His flight almost exactly met my expectations. And if he tries to fly it and put the gear up, I am also pretty confident what will happen. None of it surprises me.

There is nothing for me to learn from watching Peter. Exactly the reason I don't watch reality TV. What disorder keeps me coming back to watch these? It must be a pretty common ailment, because we have nearly 200 pages on BT and he gets 1000s of views on Youtube... Will "did you watch Raptor videos" be a question on Med-Express?



I doubt that NASCAR would need grandstands if no one ever crashed.

Glad to see he landed safely and like you I hope it gets permanently parked.


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This was probably Freudian but when I first opened the link to Peter's latest video after reading some of the comments here about it I could swear the title in the bottom right corner was "First Real Fright".

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Imagine if he hadn’t moved airports. I don’t think he would have made it around a pattern before he was boiling the coolant. It’s amazing he knew he had a cooling problem and instead of setting up some gauges or trying to test to see what his flow was through the cowling. He just takes it on the first flight. :scratch: The scary thing is how close to the edge of the envelope is this thing?


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Back in 06 I bought and built an X Air Hanuman. High wing LSA homebuilt from France but imported from India. Things were not adding up with empty weight and flying characteristics. I kept after the designer with questions basically amounting to if I’m having these problems how have you sold so many kits with so many flying?

He finally admitted that they could not get permission to fly in India so they made changes to the kits and waited for feedback from the builders.

So I was unknowing test pilot of their changes. We went through the same type of problems with early Kitfox and initial LSA airplanes like the CTSW.

If someone builds an airplane and it successfully flies. They start selling kits but the designer may not be an engineer. Or even a real “designer”. Once you build your kit and get it flying you discover you and others were really financing the designer to built prototype #2,3,4 to get to the point where it’s a good airplane. But you now have the “old model” which cannot be upgraded but has problems that should have been corrected with the first prototype. I did learn Magazine flight reviews are not to be trusted. Especially if the review kit company is a major advertiser. Even major manufacturers with team of engineers have a hard time getting a little light airplane right. (Skycatcher comes to mind) imagine the same engineers trying a pressurized turbo auto engine pusher canard.
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Add the diesel C182 to the list. Fifty+ off-field landings during development. But that number is arbitrarily high because the FAA kept insisting on methods that would simply not work.

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What's this guy's end game? His website still shows, on the "specifications" page, 1500# UL, 300kts top speed, 3600nm range, 230kt cruise, 1600 fpm climb, and a cost of $130,000.

Given that he'll never meet any of these, what is he hoping to accomplish?

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What's this guy's end game? His website still shows, on the "specifications" page, 1500# UL, 300kts top speed, 3600nm range, 230kt cruise, 1600 fpm climb, and a cost of $130,000.

Given that he'll never meet any of these, what is he hoping to accomplish?

When you're up to your ass in alligators it's hard to remember your objective was to drain the swamp.

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What's this guy's end game? His website still shows, on the "specifications" page, 1500# UL, 300kts top speed, 3600nm range, 230kt cruise, 1600 fpm climb, and a cost of $130,000.

Given that he'll never meet any of these, what is he hoping to accomplish?


Get escrow money released, raise more capital at Oshkosh and other events. Then live and play in the shop and airport for the next decade knowing damn well he’ll never accomplish those goals but his loyal followers will continue to encourage and say things like - if he even gets half way for double the cost it’s a success!

Let’s see, half way for double the cost. $260k for 150 knots, 1800 nm range and 750# useful load.

A bonanza beats that in every way for less $$$ and is readily available tomorrow.


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Get escrow money released, raise more capital at Oshkosh and other events. Then live and play in the shop and airport for the next decade knowing damn well he’ll never accomplish those goals but his loyal followers will continue to encourage and say things like - if he even gets half way for double the cost it’s a success!

That’s terrible. Do you really think it’s that cynical?

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