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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Nice video Mark. I have an observation and a question. In the Ultra, I was taught to apply slight forward pressure when the TRs are deployed to prevent a tail strike. It can be opposite behavior for those that have been taught to keep pressure off the nose wheel. What do you think?


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Nice video Mark. I have an observation and a question. In the Ultra, I was taught to apply slight forward pressure when the TRs are deployed to prevent a tail strike. It can be opposite behavior for those that have been taught to keep pressure off the nose wheel. What do you think?


Funny that you mention that. I don't recollect being taught that but that might be just me. The other day I "stood" on the TRs and felt the nose gear get real light. Made me rethink the whole process. I spend all summer flying the seaplane keeping the yoke in my lap and it almost bites me in the Citation. Go figure.
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Smoking brake. Recently replaced.

Unless you detect extra drag, this might be oil, fluid, or grease on the brake burning off in the normal heat after landing.

The fact it was recently replaced could mean there are machining oils and coatings that have yet to wear off.

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Unless you detect extra drag, this might be oil, fluid, or grease on the brake burning off in the normal heat after landing.


That was my first thought, Mark said there was no smell though which I thought there would be with an oil etc.

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Nice video Mark. I have an observation and a question. In the Ultra, I was taught to apply slight forward pressure when the TRs are deployed to prevent a tail strike.


I have been told the same but I suspect it requires a special combination of speed, CG, aft column, and a big handful of TR. Does anyone have knowledge of an actual tailstrike in the CE5xx aircraft?


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All the guys I flew Aviation's with would push forward when we got on the TR's. If you didn't the nose would get really light. Even saw the nose come off the ground once. Pax don't like riding wheelies down the runway so we always pushed forward before pulling up on the TR's.

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Check it out guys. A "Flying the Citation II" party in Scottsdale this past weekend.

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Check it out guys. A "Flying the Citation II" party in Scottsdale this past weekend.

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Looks like it was a great time! I may have to mingle with you Cessna/PC-12 guys one of these days.


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We were also taught to push the yoke forward before applying TRs, Unless I got on them hard, as you said, it didn't seem to make a big difference, but if one put them out right at landing and hit them hard, it could.
I usually waited to deploy them a bit and didn't use a lot of power since I normally didn't need a quick stop.

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Long day in the Citation (and the 310 on the initial leg)on Tuesday the 14th. Started at 8am finished at 2am. KSAW- KIMT - KMKC-KPWK-KSAW. Three approaches to minimums. The last one at night. It was reported 400 & 1.5. It was more like 200 & 1.5. The good news is the State Farm Classic was a good time.

Note that the KLN90B is gone and a fresh set of GTN's are the replacement. This was the first LPV i did since the change the new radios went in. Loving it.

Note that the GS on the ILS1 it OTS for 8 days. This means the commercial boys are out of luck anytime it is below 400 OVC. Sucks for the town.

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First leg. KSAW-KIMT in the 310

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Third Leg leg. KIMT-KMKC

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Departing KMKC 360* Video

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Nicely done, thanks for sharing, always enjoy your vids.

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Nice, thanks Mark.

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Well done Mark!
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Got a flight tomorrow from KSAW to KDTW. Calling for light freezing drizzle at departure. Tops not very high. It will be coming from a heated hangar. Would it be smart to deice with type 1 glycol prior to taxi? I figure that keeps me resistant to freezing drizzle adhering for the taxi.

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