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 Post subject: Re: Talk me out of buying a Glasair III
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None of the two place RV’s are large airplanes. The side by sides will have you shoulder to shoulder with your passenger. Not a bad thing if it is your significant other, not so great if it is your stinky hangar neighbor.

Of the tandem RV’s, I expect the Rocket would be the winner when it comes to flying qualities. The RV-8 has roomy cockpits and includes both forward and rear baggage compartments. The baggage space was one of the features that attracted me to the RV-8. Adequate baggage seems to be a rarity in tandem airplanes and the forward hole allows some management of the CG. While I wanted a sport plane, I also wanted a reasonable cross country machine.

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None of the two place RV’s are large airplanes.


There is the RV14 ... though not a good fit for Todd's mission.


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At the shoulder space, the cabin width in an RV-6 or -7 is 43 inches...

...an inch wider than the Bonanza.

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After some serious thought I think I am leaning towards a F1 Rocket or RV 8 with a high power engine or *possibly* a Legacy or SX-300. The Glasair IIIs are just getting to old and seem not to fly much. The Legacys fly a little more, but also not much. I like the metal construction of the SX and the RV/F1 planes. The Turbine Legend is nice, but more than I want to spend.

The Duke will be going for sale. I have to take the kids to a baseball game in St.Louis in it Sunday. After that I will put it for sale and take my time to find something fun. Until then I will have a nice Bonanza to fly if needed.

I love your Duke and will be looking forward when you put it up for sale. about how much are you planning on asking?


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None of the two place RV’s are large airplanes.


There is the RV14 ... though not a good fit for Todd's mission.


Also not available. Can't buy one flying, can't even buy a full kit right now.

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It appears that the F1 Rocket EVO with a 300HP+ engine is the way to go if I cannot find a SX-300. I have read that the EVO might have some CG restraints, though, and would like to see hard data. I really like the performance of the SX. I'm going to do something different and actually think about the next plane I buy this time :D :rofl:

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After some serious thought I think I am leaning towards a F1 Rocket or RV 8 with a high power engine or *possibly* a Legacy or SX-300. The Glasair IIIs are just getting to old and seem not to fly much. The Legacys fly a little more, but also not much. I like the metal construction of the SX and the RV/F1 planes. The Turbine Legend is nice, but more than I want to spend.

The Duke will be going for sale. I have to take the kids to a baseball game in St.Louis in it Sunday. After that I will put it for sale and take my time to find something fun. Until then I will have a nice Bonanza to fly if needed.

I love your Duke and will be looking forward when you put it up for sale. about how much are you planning on asking?


Hi Franciso,

I have been thinking about the price and thought I would probably just blow it out for $88k firm. That is what I have in it and it is ready to go. I bought it without the autopilot working, transponder not working, bad door seal, etc. I have fixed all those items and have flown it about 20 hours now. At that price, it is pretty hard to go wrong. It has 600 SMOH engines that were full FWF rebuilds in 2005 that included all accessories, hoses, etc.. Many of these Dukes have 20+ year old engines that have sat. Mine also has the VGs, strakes, winglets, potty chair. More importantly it has the 232 Gallon option along with lightweight starters and the far-superior Alternators instead of Generators. Pretty hard to get a pressurized twin with A/C, low time engines, the mods you need, and nice P&I for $88k.
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It appears that the F1 Rocket EVO with a 300HP+ engine is the way to go if I cannot find a SX-300. I have read that the EVO might have some CG restraints, though, and would like to see hard data. I really like the performance of the SX. I'm going to do something different and actually think about the next plane I buy this time :D :rofl:


The numbers on the CG envelope are pretty liberal... even though the numbers might be ok, the airplane gets pretty squirrelly when you get aft... I have a parallel valve -540 with a MT prop, and my airplane is good on CG until you get ~210# of rear pax and bags. A C-550 airplane or a metal 3 blade airplane has no rear CG issues.

If you want sheer speed, the 2 blade harzell is ~5 kts faster, but the 3 blade MT is quiet and smooth!

Horsepower is not the big issue, you need displacement and good breathing. A cold air induction airplane makes power at altitude better... The cold air 540s do just about as well as the tuned induction -550s at altitude.

It all boils down to find the best airplane you can buy and buy it, the details will be what the details are.

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Right on Doug. Also, I would most likely want to put 11:1 or so pistons in it to make even more power up high. I would limit the MP down low to stay safe, but having that higher compression with cold air induction makes a world of difference at altitude.

Thanks for that info on the CG. More than likely, it would be me in the front at 180 and my son in the back who will most likely be 180 also. I am also teaching him to fly so, he might ride up front as well. Might as well train him in a 300 HP taildragger! :D

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It appears that the F1 Rocket EVO with a 300HP+ engine is the way to go if I cannot find a SX-300. I have read that the EVO might have some CG restraints, though, and would like to see hard data. I really like the performance of the SX. I'm going to do something different and actually think about the next plane I buy this time :D :rofl:



Sx-300 for sale page - the all red one sure is pretty:

http://sx300group.org/information/for-sale.html

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I agree Richard, but at $300k he will own it forever. They are a nice plane, but at that price I will take a Turbine Legend and $50k in my pocket.

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Ok Tom, I guess we'll just have to be partners in Todd's Duke. :bud:


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