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 Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement????
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[quote No it doesn't. As you know all our panels on the cowling are carbon fiber. Is this new cowling not?[/quote]
The new cowling is all carbon fiber. It about 4 lbs. heavier because the exhaust pipes between the heated inlet and the exhaust pipes are longer and inlet has more heated length.


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Is there third party information on the speed increase for the new cowling? It seems some have been advertised on other birds that didn't normally make advertised numbers. Just saying.


I'm hoping that the numbers are correct. With increased air, you lower ITT, but you increase torque in order to get more power. That changes your max cruise settings and other parameters. Hopefully Jim will provide the data on that.

Engineers are going over power setting data and generating charts. We have asked Pratt to spot check our numbers but they may or may not.

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The new cowling is all carbon fiber. It about 4 lbs. heavier because the exhaust pipes between the heated inlet and the exhaust pipes are longer and inlet has more heated length.

That’s good news. I’d love to see more pics of this cowling. Can you see the carbon fiber on the non painted surfaces like on the original? It would be cool to emphasize it on your model.


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The new cowling is all carbon fiber. It about 4 lbs. heavier because the exhaust pipes between the heated inlet and the exhaust pipes are longer and inlet has more heated length.

That’s good news. I’d love to see more pics of this cowling. Can you see the carbon fiber on the non painted surfaces like on the original? It would be cool to emphasize it on your model.

Yes I will post some photo’s tomorrow.

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You don’t need to post photos for me. I’m just saying as part of your marketing I would market it as more high tech in every way over the original. I’d clear coat the exposed interior carbon fiber in a high gloss.


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Looks like a nice upgrade. I assume the FADEC eliminates the rube goldberg FCU that has been part of a PT-6 since the 60's.


Yes. I was concerned seeing no Manual Over Ride. Used to it in the TBM900. Yesterday the explanations I got left me concerned. But just today at the Convention Center I recognized fellow BT'er Carlo C. who is no slouch. This guy is a consummate pro and gets into all the details. He explained it all to me, in more detail than I can repeat. Dual channel electronic control and no more bellows. He was happy with it, so I am happy with it.

So will go have another look at the static display now that I have a better understanding.

And he had good things to say about the TBO times too. The engine is FADEC and so closely monitored. Again, if he is happy, than I am happy. Though Carlo is more of a King Air pilot. Great guy to know if you ever meet him.

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A nice cabin and lav and WIFI makes you forget how long the flight is.



Not for the pilot. That’s all nice for the passengers but I sit up front where I don’t get to use those things. Four hour cross country flights are boring. I don’t want to do longer - just get there. The only thing about the new model that gets me excited is the speed increase.


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A nice cabin and lav and WIFI makes you forget how long the flight is.



Not for the pilot.



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I'm hoping that the numbers are correct. With increased air, you lower ITT, but you increase torque in order to get more power. That changes your max cruise settings and other parameters. Hopefully Jim will provide the data on that.

Engineers are going over power setting data and generating charts. We have asked Pratt to spot check our numbers but they may or may not.


Jim, is that stuff not important. If Pratt is not checking, does that void warranty's (or what's left of them) and are the higher torque settings okay with Pilatus and Pratt......obviously they've got some time invested there. I'm not saying that they're better, but getting numerical data here is critically important.
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I would be very surprised if PWC came out and said it's fine to operate the engine at a torque value higher than what is published in the AFM for a particular cruise altitude, even though I can't see any good reason why not. PWC even published a SIL for the Conquest and Caravan (the only two Cessna aircraft using the PT6 at the time) saying not to run the engine up to the top of the green ITT band but instead to set torque according to the charts in the AFM. See attached. And in the case of the improved cowl, you should see a moderate torque increase but no change in ITT which is even more benign. At cruise altitudes the torque would be nowhere close to red line so what's the big deal if it's 150 ft-lbs or whatever more than without the improved cowl? But I predict PWC and Pilatus will be of no help whatsoever in validating the new numbers because there is no benefit to them at all.


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A nice cabin and lav and WIFI makes you forget how long the flight is.



Not for the pilot. That’s all nice for the passengers but I sit up front where I don’t get to use those things. Four hour cross country flights are boring. I don’t want to do longer - just get there. The only thing about the new model that gets me excited is the speed increase.

I use the cabin and the lav. Why don’t you?

If I’m going 1500nm+ I have a group of people with me. All my friends are pilots. If I had to go 1500nm solo I probably wouldn’t take the pilatus. I’d book a commercial flight. Of course, this never happens. I always have a group on longer flights.

Worst case you could always hire a pilot to fly with you.

Bottom line, moving around the plane is great to me.

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