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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 13:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: We have a few jet pilots on BT, is anyone here seriously considering one of these? Perhaps the question is "are there any piston single/twin drivers considering one of these? It doesn't appear that they are marketing this to existing jet owners, let alone jet pilots that fly for someone else. Sure the Cirrus jet looks slow to the macho man who got to drive a "real" jet on the government or company ticket. But these guys aren't likely ever going to buy a new jet anyway. The guys who are spending 900K+ for a new Cirrus may very much like to go faster & higher in a quiet jet. If you're use to cruising around at 180kts and 9000' then 300kts and FL250 looks pretty damn good. Id rather own one SF50 than a couple of SR22's. Its great to have options, this plane isn't for legacy pilots.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 13:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2000FPM to FL200 and cruise at 300 knots is "poor performance"?
You guys are off your rocker!!!! Agreed.....if it carried 10, I'd buy it tomorrow 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2000FPM to FL200 and cruise at 300 knots is "poor performance"?
You guys are off your rocker!!!! Agreed.....if it carried 10, I'd buy it tomorrow
Just go buy a Sovereign for 20X more!! That way you won't feel like you're in a "crippled" jet.
DUH!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 13:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: We have a few jet pilots on BT, is anyone here seriously considering one of these? If you already own a jet you're beyond the SF50 stage. So the answer will be NO. Why not pose the question to guys that own expensive piston planes?
This, what Jason said.
This plane is a step up plane for folks like me.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 14:02 |
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Username Protected wrote:
This, what Jason said.
This plane is a step up plane for folks like me.
BIG IF..........IF your future wife will allow it.  Now Jason has some thoughts on that matter too....... Jason, step in and take it from here 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 14:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: We have a few jet pilots on BT, is anyone here seriously considering one of these? Perhaps the question is "are there any piston single/twin drivers considering one of these? It doesn't appear that they are marketing this to existing jet owners, let alone jet pilots that fly for someone else. Sure the Cirrus jet looks slow to the macho man who got to drive a "real" jet on the government or company ticket. But these guys aren't likely ever going to buy a new jet anyway. The guys who are spending 900K+ for a new Cirrus may very much like to go faster & higher in a quiet jet. If you're use to cruising around at 180kts and 9000' then 300kts and FL250 looks pretty damn good. Id rather own one SF50 than a couple of SR22's. Its great to have options, this plane isn't for legacy pilots.
Its for guys who don't know how to shop? I guess they got wealthy by not doing research.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 14:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: We have a few jet pilots on BT, is anyone here seriously considering one of these? If you already own a jet you're beyond the SF50 stage. So the answer will be NO. Why not pose the question to guys that own expensive piston planes?
Jason's right. If you're currently flying a jet, the SF50 won't be of consideration. Before I bought my Mustang, while I was still flying a Bonanza, I suppose I might have been a prospect for Cirrus. However, I wouldn't have looked at the SF50 very favorably given that I could buy a used Mustang for the same money. Two engines, FL410, 350kts, and six seats make it a slam dunk. The question is how much less does the SF50 need to be to successfully crack into the jet market? I realize I'm comparing used to new, but other than the hours flown, there really aren't any differences between my Mustang and a brand new one. And, that's the very real market that Cirrus is going to have to compete in.
It's going to be interesting to watch. Cirrus is creating a new segment, so we'll have to see how it develops and who the buyers will be. I'm still curious to see what happens the first time a SF50 has a compressor stall. Pull the chute? Inflight restart? I have to admit having that second engine in the flight levels is very reassuring.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 14:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Its for guys who don't know how to shop? I guess they got wealthy by not doing research. For $2M, what other plane can you buy NEW that would meet or exceed the performance of the SF50? Robert
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: It offers the advantages of pressurization and jet speed over the SR-22. That's this airplanes' real competition. I think the competition are Meridians, TBMs and newer Mirage models. Piper just spent a lot of money increasing the capability of the Meridian into the M600. Quote: Theoretical twinjets and turboprops that have been out of production for thirty years are not competitors in this marketplace. The same competitors exist for the SETPs and light jets yet there is a market for both. All-in, you can probably operate a Merlin for less than a TBM900, still people are buying new 900s as fast as the company makes them.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 15:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Its for guys who don't know how to shop? I guess they got wealthy by not doing research. For $2M, what other plane can you buy NEW that would meet or exceed the performance of the SF50? Robert
I realize new to new is a balanced comparison, but new to used is also a very valid comparison. That's why new Mustang sales have slowed down so much in the past two years. There are enough used ones available that buyers don't have to buy new. The SF50 will experience the same thing. Those that want one are going to have to buy new during the first several years of production. Then, used ones will become available and new production will slow down. At that point, the discussion will become, "Which used turbine do you think is the best value?" How much will a five-year-old SF50 be worth?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 15:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: The arguments regarding inability to "shop" would apply to $800K+ piston singles, correct?
I'm not sure the argument is valid based on existing, proven, business models. Of course it does. Notice how they did not choose to buy the slowest, worst performing airplane in class. They were willing to pay to get the better performing airplane in class. I think they will do the same when they shop for a upgrade from the Sr22.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 15:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Its for guys who don't know how to shop? I guess they got wealthy by not doing research. For $2M, what other plane can you buy NEW that would meet or exceed the performance of the SF50? Robert
The Epic. Its in a similar place development wise.
Its faster, bigger, goes farther and has less required training.
2M for the cirrus is a guess at best. IMHO it will be closer to 3M.
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