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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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You really have no idea, or myself for that matter, who is a typical BT reader is.

A smart and involve aviation enthusiast. We clearly have ample evidence to say that is a typical BT member.

BT is one of the highest signal to noise ratio forums on the planet with seemingly a much high average IQ than most others. it is enjoyable to be around smart people.

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BT is worth preserving, it is fabulous way to help others interested in aviation.

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Trying to impress someone?

Absolutely, I'd like to help every aviator enjoy the maximal benefits from the activity. My contributions are worth what you paid, I guarantee it.

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If you buy an airplane, you marry a mechanic/maintenance facility.

I’ve had people ask me to find them a “good” piston single and I don’t want to take on the responsibility of finding them a maintenance facility. I certainly don’t want to oversee their maintenance but someone serious about ownership must get their hands dirty with their own upkeep.

I think that an airframe should improve or be as clean as possible, as it was when it left the factory.


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If you buy an airplane, you marry a mechanic/maintenance facility.


Which is why I started dispensing this advice a decade ago: “If you have a mechanic you like go give them a big kiss and tell them you love them’

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There is but one way to settle this... the Octagon


Or perhaps, the "airing of grievances," a Festivus dinner, and "feats of strength"

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There is but one way to settle this... the Octagon

Or perhaps, the "airing of grievances," a Festivus dinner, and "feats of strength"

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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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I’d love for Mike to give Chip an inch or two. Maybe acknowledge that his services are valuable for a market segment, etc.

If someone asked me what Chip's market is, I'd say it is someone who wants to be mostly hands off and let someone like Chip spend their money in mostly obvious ways. That doesn't sound like the typical BT reader to me, a person who seeks the underlying details on their own and can make their own decisions, and one who usually will be frugal with their money. If a person is reading BT they can learn as much if not more from BT than Chip. BT also represents a cross section of people, not just one voice with its particular biases and opinions.

Forums like BT are a tremendous resource to educate prospective and current owners so they are as "expert" as someone they can hire. 30 years ago, that wasn't the case, the experts held knowledge not easily found elsewhere, but times have changed in the Internet age. You can select any type airplane and in 2 weeks you can be an expert in the issues of that type on your own.

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I think you miss a few things in your rush to judgement.

One is that most of our clients are quite knowledgeable, in fact most of our clients have bought and sold multiple aircraft. They don’t hire us because they are ignorant as you accuse, but because they have experience, no offense, but in many cases a lot more than you.

Another is that, even though I have pointed this out to you multiple times, the vast majority of people who are reading this thread have never posted here, you assume they don’t exist, because you don’t see them and you assume that every person who reads what I post thinks like you… they do not.

My mission is to help buyers. Period. If I post here and help someone, mission accomplished. My nature is marketing, so that is going to come across in what I post. I can’t help that.

I also understand and respect why you are adverse to my presence here… but it isn’t because I’m going to ruin the forum.

Everyone else knows as well.

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Sometimes people just don't want to put in the work that goes into what Chip does, they'd just rather pay for it and be done with it.

Just like hiring someone to mow your yard, doesn't make you an idiot, or lazy, or anything else just means you'd rather do something else with your time and that you can afford it. They may not mow it the same way you do, but you aren't going to stand around and critique them. If it looks good when it's done you're going to go on with your day, pay them, and enjoy your pretty lawn.

Just imagine Chip riding zipping around on a zero turn in a bandana and you'll feel better.


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Sometimes people just don't want to put in the work that goes into what Chip does, they'd just rather pay for it and be done with it.

Just like hiring someone to mow your yard, doesn't make you an idiot, or lazy, or anything else just means you'd rather do something else with your time and that you can afford it. They may not mow it the same way you do, but you aren't going to stand around and critique them. If it looks good when it's done you're going to go on with your day, pay them, and enjoy your pretty lawn.

Just imagine Chip riding zipping around on a zero turn in a bandana and you'll feel better.


This pretty much sums it up.


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If I simply helped my clients purchase airplanes listed on Controller you guys would be sort of right, though the reality of buying turbine aircraft and getting them inspected correctly is still much more difficult than many would like to believe.

But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.


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But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.

What owner wants to sell and tells only you? They must be idiots if they do that.

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But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.

What owner wants to sell and tells only you? They must be idiots if they do that.

Mike C.


First time I remember you crossing a line Mike. Just because someone doesn't think as you does not make them an idiot. Broad brush you are painting with. I don't think of you as an "idiot" for not understanding/valuing the roles sales plays in business - I just know you think differently than others and myself. I respect you for your differences and your success.

If Chip called me next week and said "I have someone that will pay in the range of x-y for your plane", and it hit me as the right amount at the right time, I would engage Chip. Why wouldn't I? Would I need to then advertise it to the world to maximize my sell price? Nope - I'd say thanks Chip, you brought me the right price at the right time. Can I say thanks by engaging you to find my next plane - as long as it's not on Controller?"

Of course it's easy to say, because Chip doesn't deal in boutique planes like Piaggios :D

A broker emailed me a few months back. Said he had a buyer for my plane. I saw that he was located where I would be a few days later. I replied "great, plane will be at your airport Mon-Fri, I'll leave it unlocked - you and your buyer take a look and let me know the offer." Crickets. Was fishing for a listing using poor tactics. Not a pro.

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If I simply helped my clients purchase airplanes listed on Controller you guys would be sort of right, though the reality of buying turbine aircraft and getting them inspected correctly is still much more difficult than many would like to believe.

But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.


You took that the wrong way, I wasn't saying anything negative about your service, only saying that it's a service, it's not for everyone but there's always someone willing to pay to simplify their life (be it mowing the yard or buying an airplane) your service does that for turbine purchases for people who don't want to do it themselves.


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But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.

What owner wants to sell and tells only you? They must be idiots if they do that.

Mike C.


What a ridiculous statement. It happens all the time. Agents, be it on just a buyers side, or listing brokers as well, are always calling to see if people are interested in selling whichever flavor of the day is 'hot'. All it takes is catching that one person in need of offloading at the right time, to make all those calls worthwhile.
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Just imagine Chip riding zipping around on a zero turn in a bandana and you'll feel better.

Fidget spinner in one hand, vape in the other, with a man-bun, steering with his elbows :lol:

Hey, if we’re comparing imagination… :D

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But, the majority of airplanes that we buy are airplanes that we find off market directly for our clients. I’ll be the first to say that if all we did was buy advertised airplanes, we wouldn’t deliver enough value to have a business.

What owner wants to sell and tells only you? They must be idiots if they do that.

Mike C.


Not enough to insult me, insult my team, our clients… now the people we buy airplanes from?

We are all idiots and you have it all figured out.

Gotcha.

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