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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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I wouldn’t work for Alex.
Don’t worry buttercup – I don’t use brokers, but even if I did, I have an aversion for frauds and hypocrites so I don’t think I would ever call JetACQ either.


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I spend about 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week immersed in aviation, conversations with owners, pilots, mechanics, avionics techs, managers of various sorts, dealers, brokers, etc. and yes there is a vernacular.



Don’t have to convince anyone here.

What about the remaining hours NOT on Beechtalk?


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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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Beechtalk is entertainment and you guys are fun to play with.

For you, it is marketing campaign, a place to constantly display what you are selling.

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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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Beechtalk is entertainment and you guys are fun to play with.

For you, it is marketing campaign, a place to constantly display what you are selling.

Mike C.


Yes, Mike, it is and I’m very thankful for you. It’s true that in recent years, we’ve rarely seen a slow period. But back in 2015, very few people knew who I was, and no one had heard of Jet Acquisitions. The challenge of running a company that only represents buyers is simple:

How do clients find you?

If you’re a broker selling airplanes, you list one for sale, and—voilà—the phone rings. For me, it was a much more challenging task. I spent my time researching search terms that a buyer might use, questions they might type into Google. Those searches often led me to Beechtalk, a place where I was a member but too intimidated to post anything.

It became clear that if prospective clients were going to find me, I had to become a presence on Beechtalk—and you made that possible.

It’s funny… people think we hate each other. But I don’t hate you at all, Mike. In fact, I respect you, and my company owes you a debt of gratitude. Those fiery debates of yours? They did exactly what you accused—excellent marketing. They put my name in front of people.

Without Beechtalk and without you, I’m not sure we would have made it. Those first clients hired us, then referred others. Today, we still get a few clients each year from Beechtalk, but in the beginning, a few was all we had.

Over the years, many wonderful clients have found us through Beechtalk, most were not active “Beechtalkers,” but were “Beechreaders” who preferred to stay in the background. Like me prior to my epiphany in 2015, most of them are hesitant to post anything. The egos here can be quite intimidating. (and were just as bad back then)

And yes, I do love a good… well, let’s call it what it is—argument. So, as I’ve said before, Beechtalk is fun for me. It doesn’t consume me—it’s a respite from what does.

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Thanks for the entertainment fellas. Respect you both for different reasons. You two would make great business partners if you chose to work together.

If you check out Mike’s website you won’t see one “sales type” person shown on the important people page. The “marketing manger” has “technical” in his title.

My guess is Mike has a general aversion to sales folks, doesn’t like nor respect most of them. Doesn’t see them as necessary. That’s OK. He has founded and built a great company that I bet is a pillar of his community. As a life long “sales guy”, I’d also wonder what his company could have been if it had a sales emphasis. Maybe a Gulfstream V instead of a Cessna V? I’ve seen a lot of great technical companies underperform when they believe their superior product will “sell itself”. All speculation/conjecture of course…

I do enjoy the banter - I’d love for Mike to give Chip an inch or two. Maybe acknowledge that his services are valuable for a market segment, etc. But then again, would hate for the “series to end.”


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Most really successful companies are very good marketing companies that happen to make a product or provide a service. Marketing will usually beat out quality in the marketing place.

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How do clients find you?

Not by creating threads just to answer your own questions to show off your "expertise".

If every sponsor did the same as you, it would ruin BT.

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I’d love for Mike to give Chip an inch or two. Maybe acknowledge that his services are valuable for a market segment, etc.

If someone asked me what Chip's market is, I'd say it is someone who wants to be mostly hands off and let someone like Chip spend their money in mostly obvious ways. That doesn't sound like the typical BT reader to me, a person who seeks the underlying details on their own and can make their own decisions, and one who usually will be frugal with their money. If a person is reading BT they can learn as much if not more from BT than Chip. BT also represents a cross section of people, not just one voice with its particular biases and opinions.

Forums like BT are a tremendous resource to educate prospective and current owners so they are as "expert" as someone they can hire. 30 years ago, that wasn't the case, the experts held knowledge not easily found elsewhere, but times have changed in the Internet age. You can select any type airplane and in 2 weeks you can be an expert in the issues of that type on your own.

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Most really successful companies are very good marketing companies that happen to make a product or provide a service. Marketing will usually beat out quality in the marketing place.


MC should have learned that long ago with the SF50. But Big Ego’s are real hard of hearing.

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As Mark Twain once said, sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.


Wow...who got under who's skin??? Perhaps you should follow Mr. Clemens advice.


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I’d love for Mike to give Chip an inch or two. Maybe acknowledge that his services are valuable for a market segment, etc.

If someone asked me what Chip's market is, I'd say it is someone who wants to be mostly hands off and let someone like Chip spend their money in mostly obvious ways. That doesn't sound like the typical BT reader to me, a person who seeks the underlying details on their own and can make their own decisions, and one who usually will be frugal with their money. If a person is reading BT they can learn as much if not more from BT than Chip. BT also represents a cross section of people, not just one voice with its particular biases and opinions.

Forums like BT are a tremendous resource to educate prospective and current owners so they are as "expert" as someone they can hire. 30 years ago, that wasn't the case, the experts held knowledge not easily found elsewhere, but times have changed in the Internet age. You can select any type airplane and in 2 weeks you can be an expert in the issues of that type on your own.

Mike C.


You really have no idea, or myself for that matter, who is a typical BT reader is. And what’s it matter to you anyway? Trying to impress someone?
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I have a theory. My opinion is that Chip's business caters to people who need a jet, can afford a jet, but are insufficiently educated in the relevant subject matter or experienced enough to make a relatively informed decision to buy the right jet. Those "operators" need help, have money and are more than willing to pay for the help. With the right sales pitch, they can be convinced that by hiring the right "expert" they are saving money overall.

People like Mike, Alex, and myself who are highly technically inclined, well educated and passionate about their aircraft causes a problem.
I felt compelled to respond to this.

Over the last 28 years I've owned around 12 airplanes. I've been flying for 35 years. I've owned taildraggers, Bonanzas, Barons and Twin Cessnas. One of my first jobs was an equipment mechanic, so I know my way around a crescent wrench, plus I've done all the minor maintenance and oil changes on all of my airplanes. I've been reading aviation magazines and books my whole life and I've been to Oshkosh probably 20 times.

In all those airplane purchases, not once have I used a buyer's agent, although my A&P/IA helped with many of them.

I also own a medium sized company of which I am the CEO - and I'm 'college educated'. I would not consider myself, "insufficiently educated in the relevant subject matter or experienced enough to make a relatively informed decision to buy the right [airplane]".

That said, I am now in the market for a Pilatus (I switched from a B200) and I hired Chip to find me the right airplane - for all the reasons he has stated in many of his posts over the years. Plus, he's honest and a helluva good guy.

You guys need to lighten up a bit.
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You really have no idea, or myself for that matter, who is a typical BT reader is. And what’s it matter to you anyway? Trying to impress someone?


Jan and Chip may have something there...

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