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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2010, 11:05 
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I'm shopping Barons. Not because I think they're safer but because it leaves me with less chance of killing someone on the ground.


Jason - buying a twin to minimize the risks of flying is probably left to the great "single vs twin" debate, but I would submit that you are already doing more than a lot of pilots do to mitigate risk. From what I have read about you over the years here at BT you fly a nearly new airplane, maintain the airplane to a very high standard at a factory Beech shop, and complete annual training at Flight Safety.

Whether you fly a Cub or a Citation IMO there are really only a few practical elements within your control to protect yourself and others:

1) maintain the airplane to high standards
2) train to a high level of proficiency, maintain that proficiency, and respect your limits
3) buy as much insurance as you can reasonably afford or obtain

It seems to me you do all three. Isn't that about all you can do?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
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I'm shopping Barons. Not because I think they're safer but because it leaves me with less chance of killing someone on the ground.


Jason - buying a twin to minimize the risks of flying is probably left to the great "single vs twin" debate, but I would submit that you are already doing more than a lot of pilots do to mitigate risk. From what I have read about you over the years here at BT you fly a nearly new airplane, maintain the airplane to a very high standard at a factory Beech shop, and complete annual training at Flight Safety.

Whether you fly a Cub or a Citation IMO there are really only a few practical elements within your control to protect yourself and others:

1) maintain the airplane to high standards
2) train to a high level of proficiency, maintain that proficiency, and respect your limits
3) buy as much insurance as you can reasonably afford or obtain

It seems to me you do all three. Isn't that about all you can do?


Yes, and that's why I do them. Thanks for reading what I write.

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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
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I'm shopping Barons. Not because I think they're safer but because it leaves me with less chance of killing someone on the ground.


Jason - buying a twin to minimize the risks of flying is probably left to the great "single vs twin" debate, but I would submit that you are already doing more than a lot of pilots do to mitigate risk. From what I have read about you over the years here at BT you fly a nearly new airplane, maintain the airplane to a very high standard at a factory Beech shop, and complete annual training at Flight Safety.

Whether you fly a Cub or a Citation IMO there are really only a few practical elements within your control to protect yourself and others:

1) maintain the airplane to high standards
2) train to a high level of proficiency, maintain that proficiency, and respect your limits
3) buy as much insurance as you can reasonably afford or obtain

It seems to me you do all three. Isn't that about all you can do?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
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I dont post a lot but I read here every day.

I think what Jason is trying to say is use the Golden Rule think of others before yourself.

I will bet money on the fact that Jason's company is run the same way and that is employees are given the safety training they need for what ever it is they do.

I have read many of Jason's post and I just do not see why some of you are coming down so hard here.

I dont agree 100% with him on this issue but I respect his opinion.


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I don't ride motorcycles. It's an "un-necessary" risk.

I do. And it's worth it.

It makes me wonder if Orville and Wilbur would have made it (or even been prevented from trying!) in today's risk averse, uber-litigious world.

Long live the risk takers! Many things in life worth doing require risks be taken! :pilot:
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I was referring to crotch rockets and Harley's. Bikes that'll get me hit by other cars.

I ride dirt mikes. My bad.


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I was referring to crotch rockets and Harley's. Bikes that'll get me hit by other cars.

I ride dirt mikes. My bad.

Jason,
I am not re-entering the debate here, but will make one friendly comment.

I treat people frequently who were injured (or killed...) via dirt-bike accidents, and people who were accidentally hit by someone on a dirt bike.

Dirt bike less likely to be hit by a car? Yes, as they are often "off-road"...
Less likely for you or someone else to be injured? No.

Let's be careful out there. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2010, 13:38 





Ross,
Bingo. Nice to know there are some thinking clearly here.

The thing that threw me the biggest curve is the mind set that moving up to a Baron would aleviate anxiety or lower the risk of killing an innocent bystander.
There is a lack of knowledge present here that doesnt make him a bad guy or pilot, it make him a very dangerous one.
First off, there are no innocent bystanders. You get out of bed in the morning and youve bought your ticket and you take your chances in this life.
If this had been a car driving down the freeway and a wheel flew off and you lost control, went off the road, center punched a house and took out a family are you a killer? I dont think so.
Should you be charged and made to defend yourself in a court?
If anyone answered yes you need to go over to the OTHER side of the room with the other guys there wearing those tall pointy hats. Dunce ?
If Jason needs to rethink his need to fly for these reasons then he needs to rethink his need to drive a car. Or walk outside. Or eat in a restaurant.
Ill bet more people died choking on a piece of steak last year then were killed by falling airplanes.
Perspective people!!! PERSPECTIVE!!


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Ross,
Bingo. Nice to know there are some thinking clearly here.

The thing that threw me the biggest curve is the mind set that moving up to a Baron would aleviate anxiety or lower the risk of killing an innocent bystander.
There is a lack of knowledge present here that doesnt make him a bad guy or pilot, it make him a very dangerous one.
First off, there are no innocent bystanders. You get out of bed in the morning and youve bought your ticket and you take your chances in this life.
If this had been a car driving down the freeway and a wheel flew off and you lost control, went off the road, center punched a house and took out a family are you a killer? I dont think so.
Should you be charged and made to defend yourself in a court?
If anyone answered yes you need to go over to the OTHER side of the room with the other guys there wearing those tall pointy hats. Dunce ?
If Jason needs to rethink his need to fly for these reasons then he needs to rethink his need to drive a car. Or walk outside. Or eat in a restaurant.
Ill bet more people died choking on a piece of steak last year then were killed by falling airplanes.
Perspective people!!! PERSPECTIVE!!


You're not reading the thread. Don't worry though, you're not the only one.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2010, 13:45 





A little prayer never hurt anyone either.... :pray:



Let'r rip... :ahhh:


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I have a street bike too. :bugeye:

My kids and family know (and understand) - flying and motorcycling are things I absolutely love to do. If something goes terribly wrong and I lose my life then so be it.

I'd rather enjoy my life to the fullest than live in fear of losing it. My time here is short. Too much of that is spent working, doing chores, paying bills, blah, blah, blah.

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 Post subject: Re: Turbine Lancair prop comes off
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Ross,
Bingo. Nice to know there are some thinking clearly here.

The thing that threw me the biggest curve is the mind set that moving up to a Baron would aleviate anxiety or lower the risk of killing an innocent bystander.
There is a lack of knowledge present here that doesnt make him a bad guy or pilot, it make him a very dangerous one.
First off, there are no innocent bystanders. You get out of bed in the morning and youve bought your ticket and you take your chances in this life.
If this had been a car driving down the freeway and a wheel flew off and you lost control, went off the road, center punched a house and took out a family are you a killer? I dont think so.
Should you be charged and made to defend yourself in a court?
If anyone answered yes you need to go over to the OTHER side of the room with the other guys there wearing those tall pointy hats. Dunce ?
If Jason needs to rethink his need to fly for these reasons then he needs to rethink his need to drive a car. Or walk outside. Or eat in a restaurant.
Ill bet more people died choking on a piece of steak last year then were killed by falling airplanes.
Perspective people!!! PERSPECTIVE!!


You're not reading the thread. Don't worry though, you're not the only one.


Im reading it all right....so are you....But m not sure your listening...... :scratch:

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Jason and Tom . . . the octogon beckons.

Seriously, I love this thread. This discussion is spirited, yes, but it forces each of us to think about the issue of responsibility and how it affects our flying. So despite the occasional harsh words, the soft white underbelly of this discussion is provocative and fruitful.


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