BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 11:12

Username Protected wrote:

Me too. That's another little "oddity" but at the same time I'm glad you have the option to start up with a lighter load on the system.

It's not supposed to come online until above 65% NG I believe, but I need to review that to be 100% certain. Brent will be able to explain 100%, he's smarter than me.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 11:34

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So a BBJ is less susceptible to turbulence than a 737? How about for a Challenger 604 versus a CRJ or Embraer Legacy 600 versus ERJ?

All kidding aside, what is your basis for the statement above?

I would guess the BBJ could be lower wing loading than a 737.
604 could be less than the CRJ.
Legacy 600 could be less than the ERJ.

The wing loading number (not wing surface area) reflects the actual weight of the aircraft. Comparing a corporate version to an airliner; in practice the airliner is most often going to be near max gross. Giving a higher wing loading than the lightly loaded executive version. Your examples seem to be comparing the executive version to an airline version :shrug:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 11:45

I normally wait for dirt, "Test" the EPS for 5 seconds and then throw on the standby bus, wait for "Aligning" and then turn on the batteries. Yesterday though, it was taking a long time for the dirt come up, longer than normal so after a minute or so I just put on the batteries and got on with it... don't do that. The Yaw damper kicked off a few mins after engaging it. It doesn't give an aural alert, just a white CAS message for a few seconds. If you put it back on it will stay on about 10 seconds and then kick itself off. Reset the whole system fixes it. It was instrument conditions and I definitely didn't do anything aggressive maneuvering wise before engaging it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 11:54

Username Protected wrote:

Yesterday though, it was taking a long time for the dirt come up, longer than normal

Yeah I'm not sure what would cause that. Not sure I've seen it before but like I said..... I turn my plane on stupid slow. Having to turn everyone off and back on again takes longer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 11:57

Username Protected wrote:

Yesterday though, it was taking a long time for the dirt come up, longer than normal

Yeah I'm not sure what would cause that. Not sure I've seen it before but like I said..... I turn my plane on stupid slow. Having to turn everyone off and back on again takes longer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 12:01

I get to the plane before my PAX anyways. There's more to do than turn on avionics. Remove covers, open cargo door, walk around preflight, read magazines, B.S. and tell lies with the linemen, drink coffee etc. If you get the procedure down you just let the Honeywell boot up while you're doing everything else.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 12:06

Username Protected wrote:

Reset the whole system fixes it.

How did you do that inflight?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 12:26

Username Protected wrote:

Reset the whole system fixes it.

How did you do that inflight?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 12:39

Username Protected wrote:

I turn on StandBy Bus then I go take the covers off the plane and get a cup of coffee.... I go get a refill of coffee.

No wonder you need a PTT in your potty.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 12:45

Username Protected wrote:

I turn on StandBy Bus then I go take the covers off the plane and get a cup of coffee.... I go get a refill of coffee.

No wonder you need a PTT in your potty.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 14:56

Username Protected wrote:

I would guess the BBJ could be lower wing loading than a 737.
604 could be less than the CRJ.
Legacy 600 could be less than the ERJ.

The wing loading number (not wing surface area) reflects the actual weight of the aircraft. Comparing a corporate version to an airliner; in practice the airliner is most often going to be near max gross. Giving a higher wing loading than the lightly loaded executive version. Your examples seem to be comparing the executive version to an airline version :shrug:

John,

I was hoping that the

that I used would convey my sarcasm and "tongue in cheek" nature of my post. It wasn't serious at all and was a response to Chip's comment that private jets have smoother rides than airliners so I purposely picked those aircraft models since they have both corporate and airline versions.

For what it is worth though, the BBJ has a MGTOW of 171,000 pounds and the 737-700 has a MGTOW of 154,500 pounds (and the ZFW of the BBJ is 126,000 pounds versus 121,700 pounds in the 737-700).

-Neal

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 15:24

Username Protected wrote:

John,

I was hoping that the

that I used would convey my sarcasm and "tongue in cheek" nature of my post. It wasn't serious at all

Sorry, my bad....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 15:28

Username Protected wrote:

Zero YD issues on legacies (Series 9/10) so far.

Ditto here too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 15:37

Username Protected wrote:

John,

I was hoping that the

that I used would convey my sarcasm and "tongue in cheek" nature of my post. It wasn't serious at all

Sorry, my bad....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2018, 16:11

That's not what you were saying before, you hated the Honeywell and wonder why Pilatus didn't put a G1000 in or any jet that didn't have Garmin stuff will never sell in the future.

Username Protected wrote:

Curious, if available, would you guys upgrade to the G1000NXi for $400k and what do you think of the IS&S panel in the legacy airplanes?

Hell no. I like the Honeywell. The boot-up procedure is just a little slow.

Denali will have Garmin so Honeywell is going to need to up their game. The question is.... can they? I think avionics are the number 1 selling point on airplanes.

But no.... I wouldn't spend a penny to rip out all the Honeywell. I don't even think about avionics anymore. All I need is a glide slope.

The whole airplane is Honeywell.... It's not just the panel.

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