BeechTalk - BT - Adding Citation Mustang to flight department

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 12:07

Username Protected wrote:

I like it, is there a list of participating FBOs?

There is a Google map with pins on the cjpfuel home page.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 12:12

Excellent I will take a look.

I was a member of CJP for a year and all I really did was lurk.

It's a very good organization. Lots of love for the citation but very little BS facts just good info.

We could use more like it.

Edit. Just looked could not find map with FBOs.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 12:31

Username Protected wrote:

Excellent I will take a look.

I was a member of CJP for a year and all I really did was lurk.

It's a very good organization. Lots of love for the citation but very little BS facts just good info.

We could use more like it.

Edit. Just looked could not find map with FBOs.

Scroll down on the home page and it appears.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 12:47

Username Protected wrote:

Jason,

What kind of real world range are you seeing on the Pilatus?

No wind I've made Atlanta to LA non stop. Coming home with 30 knot tail wind I do Napa Valley to Atlanta non stop regularly. That's kinda max. It's a 7 hour airplane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 12:51

Username Protected wrote:

It's a 7 hour airplane.

Yeah, you need that lav and empty it after every leg.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 15:28

Username Protected wrote:

I don't know of a Single Pilot jet with an APU, you're talking Lear 45 / 60, Excel / XLS.

Reports say that the Pilatus PC-24 will have a 'low idle' feature on the right engine that acts like an APU. Sounds interesting not having to maintain another engine/APU.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 15:29

Username Protected wrote:

Yeah, you need that lav and empty it after every leg.

Also depends on how much wine is onboard when the door closes.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 16:13

Username Protected wrote:

How much gas does an apu use?

At the jet I'm buying this year it is around 150 pph.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 17:49

Allen: can you taxi on one if you need to, or have to sit still while on one? I've been in a conga line where it was clear it would be awhile before departure, but I had to scoot up every few minutes.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 17:51

Like Allen I am very wary of using an unknown GPU when on the road. In the mustang, the Nicad battery was a huge pain for me when starting in a cold environment in the mountains at altitude. That's the only time I ever got nervous during a start. Once I changed to a Lead Acid, it starts much cooler.

I will generally do a cross gen start, with the right engine being started first. I will bring up the throttle to about 60% after the start to assist in the other engine. It bounces off the bleed valves a bit, but nothing bad. In the CJs, you don't need to increase the power for the start. Those little Pratts, are well, little.

I'm not too worried about battery longevity. Pro-Parts covers it! (just to get back to the original thread) - and tires and brakes.... So - make the early turn off!

-jason

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 18:22

Username Protected wrote:

Allen: can you taxi on one if you need to, or have to sit still while on one? I've been in a conga line where it was clear it would be awhile before departure, but I had to scoot up every few minutes.

Yes, I can taxi on one. Turns to the right take some effort to get it going that way.

If you need all the fuel for your flight and have a ground delay shutting down the left side on the ground until takeoff and then balancing out the fuel once in the air can make a difference.

If I am sitting on the ground on a ramp with one running I will tell tower or ground I have shut one engine down and to give me 2 minutes warning before takeoff clearance.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 18:26

Username Protected wrote:

I will generally do a cross gen start, with the right engine being started first.

I will alternate which engine I start first between right or left unless I need an engine started with the door open. May be an OWT but that should even out the wear of the starts over time. Not sure it makes a difference if on an engine program. But it is habit from my twin PT-6A days.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 18:49

Thanks. I was 17th in line at a class B airport and departures were delayed: so, we all waited and creeped up a bit after each departure. All straight ahead until the end.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 18:50

Username Protected wrote:

The Citations are setup to run the right engine on the ground to power the aircraft and heat/cool the cabin. It would burn around 180 PPH on the ground.

I won't do that sitting on a FBO ramp. Too much danger for people walking around.

I have ran only the right engine on a taxiway if I get extensive delays for release due to ATC or weather. I can quickly fire up the left engine and get rolling.

Didn't know that. Very cool

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2016, 19:28

Username Protected wrote:

The Citations are setup to run the right engine on the ground to power the aircraft and heat/cool the cabin. It would burn around 180 PPH on the ground.

I won't do that sitting on a FBO ramp. Too much danger for people walking around.

I have ran only the right engine on a taxiway if I get extensive delays for release due to ATC or weather. I can quickly fire up the left engine and get rolling.

Didn't know that. Very cool