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Nice job thinking on your feet. "As cleared, as expected, as filed" but I wouldn't have wanted to leave VFR and punch into IMC either. Hope you filed a NASA report.

What was the Sawyer WX before you departed? Does it change pretty quickly up there?

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Nice job thinking on your feet. "As cleared, as expected, as filed" but I wouldn't have wanted to leave VFR and punch into IMC either. Hope you filed a NASA report.

What was the Sawyer WX before you departed? Does it change pretty quickly up there?


I didn't. Should I? NASA?

When the fog is rolling off th lack it can go from VFR to IFR in minutes. In fact when it was an airbase it had two ATIS. One for landing on 19 and the other for 1. One would report LIFR and the other VFR. It's a 12,000 foot runway.

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Nice job thinking on your feet. "As cleared, as expected, as filed" but I wouldn't have wanted to leave VFR and punch into IMC either. Hope you filed a NASA report.

What was the Sawyer WX before you departed? Does it change pretty quickly up there?


I didn't. Should I? NASA?

Taking a flying machine into the sky is a violation of 91.13, so a daily ASRS is probably appropriate.

Beyond that, there was no violation, so no "need" for the report, it'd just be a data point for the Safety part of ASRS.
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Another thing to consider, if the FOs mic did not solve the problem try your cell phone.

Yes. But think about how you would find the number. Really should have center numbers on a PDF on iPad.

This makes me miss The Cellular Pilot. I don't know if anybody remembers it, but back in the late 20th century (and maybe a little later) Charter Guides published this little 4x8" booklet that contained every telephone number for every FAA facility in the country, and some internationally for a whopping $10. It was outstanding for picking up a clearance when the RCO didn't quite reach, or where there just wasn't any other way.

It's long gone now, but I sure would pay anyone who wanted to bring back the product.
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Great idea for an App.

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Yes. But think about how you would find the number. Really should have center numbers on a PDF on iPad.

This makes me miss The Cellular Pilot. I don't know if anybody remembers it, but back in the late 20th century (and maybe a little later) Charter Guides published this little 4x8" booklet that contained every telephone number for every FAA facility in the country, and some internationally for a whopping $10. It was outstanding for picking up a clearance when the RCO didn't quite reach, or where there just wasn't any other way.

It's long gone now, but I sure would pay anyone who wanted to bring back the product.


I used to have The Cellular Pilot. AOPA used to publish ATC phone numbers in their pilot guide. I still have the attached pages in FF documents. I have no idea which of the numbers still work.

Here are two documents I have that you can add to your iPad.

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I still have my last copy of The Cellular Pilot. If I ever get bored enough I may scan it into a PDF, but as Allen said, I have no idea how many of the numbers may have changed in the intervening years.

It would be an awesome app if one could figure out how to gather and update the phone numbers on a regular basis.

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I still have my last copy of The Cellular Pilot.


You got me scratching my grey hair! I remember that well and it would be nice to have it updated.

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Flew from KSAW to KSDL yesterday. 4.1 hours enroute. Approaching the front range I encountered some weather and climbed to FL410. Here are some photos that tell the story.


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The video:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/5pVHCvMZM5E[/youtube]

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1308 nm
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927 lbs/hour
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Average GS 319 kts
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What are the rules for supplemental oxygen when sie pilot? Above what altitude is it required?

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What are the rules for supplemental oxygen when sie pilot? Above what altitude is it required?


Much depends on what the copilot is doing :duck:

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