Deano,

love ya bruh, but That is NOT how they work.

So we are all members of an antique car club (maybe muscle cars but antique nonetheless) arguing with someone who just sold his late model BMW for a brand new Maserati. For most of us, shopping for airplanes is like shopping for cars in Cuba. Dont forget who invited all of us to Fairhope. It was not Bechcraft. It was the manufacturer of our 1950 era designed engines. (Chuck and Bill, please invite us back! I had a blast.)

Dean....the technology exists....it works a lil different than you described.....but AF guys don't have the autoland....like the Army guys.

It's called TALS/ATALS.....
http://www.sncorp.com/pdfs/cns_atm/TALS ... 0Sheet.pdf Er, uhm, welllllllll what I meant to say was........

When I first heard of the "Autoland" technology being used on the Bonanza in the video I referenced, my buddy that worked at Rockwell Collins explained to me.....

The fella that had created this did his doctoral thesis on FADEC for small aircraft back in the 80's or so. He then created a "shoe box sized" piece of equipment that had built in gps receivers as well as other accelerometers and such that was used on the first UAV's. (maybe not huh?) Anyway, that this same technology was used in the "autoland" product and that, if it weren't for the fact that it would obviate the need for the huge ticket products already out there, that there was no reason we couldn't use it today, or 5 years ago or even 10?

So, whatcher a tellin me is that our current UAV's don't possess such technology/capabilities?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ???

So you think I liked the Cirrus yesterday because Angelina Jolie has one? She wasn't in the plane. The reasons I thought the Cirrus were awesome were clearly stated in my original post. Not one mentioned a celebrity. Not one the options I mentioned is available on a Beechcraft either.

My beef is with folks who blindly follow a manufacturer who couldn't care less about them. Why support a company doing nothing and bad mouth the only guy in the room actually innovating and making GA a long term reality?

Calm down, I wasn't talking about you Jason, read all 12 pages of this thread and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And it is not my intent to bad mouth Cirrus. I think they make a good airplane and so does Beech. Cirrus is definitely better at marketing, though.

I'm calm. Just countering your point.

I did read all 12 pages. I started this thread.

You can't say "the only reason people want a Cirrus is because celebrities have them". Cirrus is beating everyone's ass in the innovation department. There's a legitimate reason people buy them.

"Better at marketing" is part of the formula to "being a better company" than your competitors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4


What next gen should have been..

Cirrus is so innovative, "celebrities want them"..

Flying is an awesome experience, but not many of the people who can afford a Brand New G36 or SR22 want to learn in a ragged C152, or even C182 with G1000 when you put a Cirrus next to it.

Go find us a flight school operating G36s for these people to learn in.. there are plenty of places you can train on a state of the art SR20, which except for a little more HP & right rudder on take-off, is the SAME airplane as the SR22!

I am heading there in June and will shoot this approach in the NA Baron. I have done it before, it definitely gets your attention. I wish I had spoilers!

One of Jason's best friends in Atlanta recently purchased a Cirrus. One of the reasons why he chose Cirrus is that the sales rep from Cessna, did not only not return his many calls, he was not responsive to his many inquires.

The Cirrus rep did everything to be responsive, and more. Cirrus wins the deal.

And this was Jason in his friend's ear telling him he needed to purchase the Beech. Hint: someone used to own one, so it has to be the best, until now.

All of this comes first hand from the Atlanta Cirrus sales rep a few months ago.

This is true. I did everything to get my friend to buy a TNG36. I flew him in mine etc.

It's also true that the Beech rep returned neither my phone calls nor my friends phone calls. The Cirrus salesmen were all over my friend. They even had 3 SR22's to choose from sitting right there. Not a 6 month lead time like at Beech.

I am no longer a Bonanza owner. Re-wind to 2008 when I bought my G36, I would make that decision again. If I were in the market for a piston single right now, I would buy that SR22 in a second. Sorry fellas but I can't even get TN from the factory at Beech. Owning my G36 was truly a labor of love. I put a lot into that plane that it didn't come with and Beech folks frowned on every upgrade.

A lot has changed since 2008.

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You forgot about famous insurance paper pushers

I keep forgetting -- you did move to SoCal.