BeechTalk - BT - Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement????

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 17:49

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New video out
https://youtu.be/xJJ49JM7aRQ

New interior
Bigger windows
Fadec and auto throttle

As a poor doctor with no inherited family money, there’s no way I can own one of these... but DAMN - that video sure makes me want one! Wow! Well done!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 18:51

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The cowling is approved for the Pc-12,PC12/45,PC-12-47,PC12-47EA
Depends on how the software works on the new engine. Maybe it will limit torque.

Jim, maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the specs/data/etc on what we need to do to put one of these cowls on.......you seem to be avoiding my questions. :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 19:02

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The cowling is approved for the Pc-12,PC12/45,PC-12-47,PC12-47EA
Depends on how the software works on the new engine. Maybe it will limit torque.

Jim, maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the specs/data/etc on what we need to do to put one of these cowls on.......you seem to be avoiding my questions. :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 19:59

cost for the cowling mod? 100k?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 20:32

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cost for the cowling mod? 100k?

I believe it's 85k plus install and painting so you're close.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 21:14

Checked it out today. Very nice machine and with a cruise prop speed capability of 1750 rpm. Supposed to be "jet quiet" in that mode. And it can even be used for take off I was told. Probably some distance penalty though. So if Jason was hoping for a six bladed prop, it might not be needed?

And thrill of thrills.....it can manage XM weather TAF's and METAR's for Canadian airports. And apparently some software package can make older NG's capable of that also.

Loved the higher resolution displays.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2019, 21:19

Username Protected wrote:

The cowling is approved for the Pc-12,PC12/45,PC-12-47,PC12-47EA
Depends on how the software works on the new engine. Maybe it will limit torque.

Jim, maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the specs/data/etc on what we need to do to put one of these cowls on.......you seem to be avoiding my questions. :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 00:46

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5k TBO
No HSI*
On condition Hots*

I bet anything that individual components on the engine have inspection requirements that are much shorter than 5000 hours. No way they would release a brand new electronic FCU and prop governor into the wild with that long a TBO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 05:20

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The cowling is approved for the Pc-12,PC12/45,PC-12-47,PC12-47EA
Depends on how the software works on the new engine. Maybe it will limit torque.

Jim, maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the specs/data/etc on what we need to do to put one of these cowls on.......you seem to be avoiding my questions. :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 09:00

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On one of the listed airplanes just clamp it on and paint to match then do wt. and balance (a few lbs. heavier) and 337 entry by a repair station or mechanic with an IA. Installation labor is minimal. Hope this answers your question.

Rich, I'd already reviewed the sales literature. I understand in principle the workings of the cowl.

Jim, my questions pertained to the actual engine parameters. In our NG we are either Torque or Temp limited. Most times, when I'm running at 777 ITT (my in cruise setting) I'm temp limited, but not by a huge margin.

My question pertains to those parameters changing both in the Apex software (I'm assuming that there is a software update that gets performed) and then P&W changing their parameters (or maybe they don't need them changing). I understand the performance gains and the reason for them, I'm more concerned with the engine parameters being changed both software and actual.

Cowl design is not a new thing. I'm curious as to why they (they being Pilatus) did not incorporate this into their new design.

20knots is a big f'n deal IMHO. Congrats by the way.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 09:03

Why is the new cowling heavier? Would be cool if it were lighter.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 09:39

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Pratt playing pre-emptive defense against the new GECatalyst engine.

Think about what the
5k TBO
No HSI*
On condition Hots*
and
290 kts,

does to further improve the already stellar DOCs of that airplane...

Maybe they are saving +300 kts changes as a hole card?

*I assume "no HSI" and "on condition hots" means the engine gets scoped regularly and thats how the decision to open her up is made?
Is any data collection used as part of the decision?
Historically, if nothing has materially changed, what is the likelihood of making it 5k without being opened up?
(Educate me, please)

In a word? Marketing. They are saying HOTS are not mandatory. They aren’t, of course, saying you won’t have to do them. Unless they’ve changed metallurgy, lowered operating temps, changed operating practices. In order to attain the higher TAS that they are advertising, I wonder at what temp/torque compared to previous iteration?
Marketing

Robert T.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 10:13

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Why is the new cowling heavier? Would be cool if it were lighter.

Not sure that the weight will have anything to do with the temperatures :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 10:15

Username Protected wrote:

Why is the new cowling heavier? Would be cool if it were lighter.

Not sure that the weight will have anything to do with the temperatures :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2019, 11:28

Is there third party information on the speed increase for the new cowling? It seems some have been advertised on other birds that didn't normally make advertised numbers. Just saying.