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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions  Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 21:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I like the c90 but they really need to kill the proline. If it had G3000 they would probably triple sales. Or at least double sales!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 11:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I like the c90 but they really need to kill the proline. If it had G3000 they would probably triple sales. Or at least double sales!
Rumour is its coming.
Be a G1000NXi not a G3000
I’m surprised more people don’t buy new C90GTx’s and install Garmin, those Fusion screens are expensive, it couldn’t cost much to convert it.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 13:40 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Rumour is its coming.
Be a G1000NXi not a G3000
I’m surprised more people don’t buy new C90GTx’s and install Garmin, those Fusion screens are expensive, it couldn’t cost much to convert it.
What can someone fetch for their used Fusion stuff after removal? After hearing about the cost of one Fusion screen, you'd think a shop would make a straight trade for Fusion removal and G1000 install
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 15:05 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Rumour is its coming.
Be a G1000NXi not a G3000
I’m surprised more people don’t buy new C90GTx’s and install Garmin, those Fusion screens are expensive, it couldn’t cost much to convert it.
What can someone fetch for their used Fusion stuff after removal? After hearing about the cost of one Fusion screen, you'd think a shop would make a straight trade for Fusion removal and G1000 install
Here's the answer... can't be done.
When RC went to the Fusion panel they incorporated much (if not all) of the annunciation panels, warning lights, etc. into the Fusion screens, so you cannot install G1000 in it's place.
I can also squash the rumor that the King Air will come with a Garmin panel in the future... it won't.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Rumour is its coming.
Be a G1000NXi not a G3000
I’m surprised more people don’t buy new C90GTx’s and install Garmin, those Fusion screens are expensive, it couldn’t cost much to convert it.
Would be financial madness to pull out the Fusion on a brand new plane & replace with Garmin. Whether you upgrade PL21 to Fusion or pull a PL21 and replace with Garmin, looking at $350k. Also for the C90, the NXi upgrade is not yet available. The only Garmin retrofit option for the C90 is the G1000. Can a Garmin retro in a KA make a lot of sense if you pull out a PL21? Yeh. But NXi not yet avail for C90. Is it a smart financial move to pull a brand new Fusion and replace with Garmin? Not so sure.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: I can also squash the rumor that the King Air will come with a Garmin panel in the future... it won't. I wouldn't place too high a bet on that given that: Attachment: G1000_NXi_header.jpg https://txtav.com/en/newsroom/2017/01/t ... -king-airsMike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 17:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: I can also squash the rumor that the King Air will come with a Garmin panel in the future... it won't. I wouldn't place too high a bet on that given that: Attachment: G1000_NXi_header.jpg https://txtav.com/en/newsroom/2017/01/t ... -king-airsMike C.
Textron Service Centers install G1000... have for years... they also install G5000 in the Beechjet...
Has nothing to do with the production airplanes.
According to Garmin, it isn't happening and Collins integrated a lot of the cockpit systems into the Fusion to make the Garmin upgrade impossible.
I've mentioned this before, Collins has contracts in place to keep their panels in production aircraft, it isn't talked about... but it is obvious, no manufacturer is going to commit to supplying X number of avionic sets without a commitment.
I do believe this is why the M2 is called an M2 and not a CJ.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 01 Apr 2019, 19:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Am I missing something? Have you ever looked at a PIaggio Avanti?
Yep. They are easiest to spot on the takeoff roll, as they roll, and roll, and roll...
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 01 Apr 2019, 19:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have you ever looked at a PIaggio Avanti? Yep. They are easiest to spot on the takeoff roll, as they roll, and roll, and roll...
Utter lies! 
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 02 Apr 2019, 08:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yep. They are easiest to spot on the takeoff roll, as they roll, and roll, and roll... That's not the point of my post.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 10 Apr 2019, 12:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe the ultimate plan is to come out with a twin engine Denali with a G3000 to replace the King Air line? If it can do 350 knots or better..... great. If it's the same speed it would be pointless.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Denali - First Impressions Posted: 10 Apr 2019, 13:56 |
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A couple of weeks ago I had an opportunity to fly a C90A full motion sim with G1000 avionics. What a wonderful update from electro-mechanical display technology!
If one is looking at what can be done to clean up a King Air, the answer is... LOTS. The nacelle/wing intersection is a flow disaster. Flows around the empennage are far, far from ideal. The windshield flow is awful. Elevator/horizontal span-wise flow sucks energy. Having seen some tuft testing on the airframe I would have to believe that a major clean-up would result in a substantial increase in cruise performance. Unfortunately the execution of that clean-up would likely invalidate the existing Type Certificate.
BTW I was involved in one of the earliest chicken gun certification tests not on the King Air but on the B1900. First chicken was aimed at the windshield centre pillar. It ended up back in the lav. Spectacular fail! Interesting times indeed...
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