BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Apr 2016, 11:27

Username Protected wrote:

Found this V browsing on Controller. Love the panel.

Real jets don't use boots....

Not even on the horizontal stab

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Apr 2016, 11:40

Username Protected wrote:

Found this V browsing on Controller. Love the panel.

Real jets don't use boots....

Not even on the horizontal stab

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Apr 2016, 13:02

You walk out on the ramp and yours for the taking is a Citation SII and a Citation V... smart guy takes the fake jet!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Apr 2016, 13:38

Username Protected wrote:

You walk out on the ramp and yours for the taking is a Citation SII and a Citation V... smart guy takes the fake jet!

Add a Fisher Price jet to the mix and you still take the unreal jet

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Apr 2016, 20:36

Which real jets do you have experience with?[/quote]

None... But if I decide to it will be a Dassault.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 00:47

What about a Citation VII? The cabin is damn impressive!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 00:51

Username Protected wrote:

What about a Citation VII? The cabin is damn impressive!

Two pilot. Swept wing. More fuel consumption more maintenance. Just a whole different animal.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 08:51

Username Protected wrote:

Mark, I know the guy that flew that thing for years. PM me you get serious about it.

Pm'd

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 09:28

I don't read often about booted jets falling out of the sky due to icing.

When I flew the M2 and tested the hot wing, the plane decelerated quite noticeably. It seemed odd to me that the time when you wanted the most power (in icing) you robbed it from the engines to heat the wings.

Chip-

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 09:43

Username Protected wrote:

Which real jets do you have experience with?

None... But if I decide to it will be a Dassault.[/quote]

Great aircraft, apparantly unmatched in quality.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Apr 2016, 10:29

Username Protected wrote:

When I flew the M2 and tested the hot wing, the plane decelerated quite noticeably. It seemed odd to me that the time when you wanted the most power (in icing) you robbed it from the engines to heat the wings.

I think the practical impact of this is that you don't often need deice above FL300, and below FL300, there is enough power to deice and climb. If you do need deice at high altitude, then you may have to descend to both get more power and to get out of the icing layer.

At FL300, ISA is -44C, so even at ISA+20, icing would not be common. If you get icing at high altitude, that means the temperatures are wicked high (ISA+30 or more?) and you probably can't fly up there anyway just from that.

For the Citation V, climb rate at ISA+10 (-32C), FL290, 14K lbs is 1623 FPM, turn on deice and this falls to 1375 FPM. Noticeable, but you still have 85% of your climb rate, so operationally probably not a game changer.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Apr 2016, 18:33

..... Does anyone have any good training material or resources for the Universal UNS 1?

Thanks,
Brent

Edit: I just realized I posted this to the wrong thread; moving to the Flying the Citation thread.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Apr 2016, 19:13

I have the OM on the Global GNS-XLS if that would help. Shouldn't the school you attend or instructor you use provide something? Mine was a bit lax there.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Apr 2016, 21:02

Gns and Universal are completely different. Schools teach you enough to pass a check ride or 61.58. Not much more. Might Google for a Universal Op Manual.

Robert

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Apr 2016, 23:24

I think that manual is in the Citation Jet Pilots Russ Meyer Digital library.

Purchasing a Citation V