Mark,

I have no issue with the airplane or its capabilities.

I never said the Mustang was a better airplane.

If you want to argue about the capabilities of a Piaggio, you’ll have to find someone who doesn’t like it and pick a fight with them.

Now, your inability to properly quote… we may have words over that.

The last ICE song video, without audio. Just chest thumping.

How is accel go distance or accel stop distance compared to the Mustang? All the Mustang numbers have engine failure as part of them, so the longer of accel go or accel stop for the Piaggio is what to compare.

Have you done an engine cut just before rotation and flown away? That's a pretty easy exercise in a Mustang.

Mike C.

Chris you do realize that there are 11 Evos on the assembly line now? The new Turkish owner has just spoken up for increasing production of the Evo. Those concerns appear to be behind us now.

I am not talking any more EV talk. I made a promise to end that thread drift.

How is accel go distance or accel stop distance compared to the Mustang? All the Mustang numbers have engine failure as part of them, so the longer of accel go or accel stop for the Piaggio is what to compare.

Have you done an engine cut just before rotation and flown away? That's a pretty easy exercise in a Mustang.

Mike C.

I don't know much about a Piaggio, but have heard they are good performers, but haven't heard anybody say they are a chick magnet. [/quote]

They are regularly on lists of the worlds most beautiful airplanes...but of course beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

I don't know much about a Piaggio, but have heard they are good performers, but haven't heard anybody say they are a chick magnet.

Thanks! Yes the Starship was the unfortunate recipient of an ignorant FAA who didn't know how to certify a composite airframe and made Beechcraft overbuild it to the point the airplane was a flying Brick with no useful load. In a smaller sense the same thing happened to the Columbia 400 which was twice the airplane that the Cirrus was but because it was so heavy had a poor useful load as well.

The problem with that is how disruptive it would be to their normal operations to have to pull EV's out of the return queue and take them somewhere to charge. Also, the rental car garages at most airports don't have the electrical infrastructure to fast charge a bunch of EV's. To make it work would take more man power, greatly slow the turn rate and require significant infrastructure upgrades, much of which is not directly in their control.

Most people are not going to pay enough of a premium to rent an EV to cover the extra costs, so your suggestion might have worked from the renter's perspective but would still have been a costly failure.

Jeez. What awesome thread drift. Mark; speaking of “dustbins”. The Avanti is an awesome looking plane; sounds like a buzz saw flying by. what’s its approach speed? Maybe 112kts? The Avanti reminds me of an Eclipse. Cool plane. Service and support abysmal. Like who or what owns the company now?

EV’S. If one can’t see the power of an EV as a commuter they have brain fog. Probably because they have to somehow substantiate their Ferrari stable.Just like planes they have to fit a mission. My S goes on occasional roadtrips.Runs like a bat outta hell. My Buzz provides me an awesome around town service vehicle. I still laugh at VW’s, and others arrogance, as they produce all these EV’s and have crap for for a reliable charging network. My 2006 E320 has about a 800 mile range and can get 40 mpg easy.

It’s amazing to watch the total pushback on a guy that has in so many ways transformed, in a good way, the world we live in. Yes as tesla himself did. And here’s a business man trying to keep us from going bankrupt, of which he is most certainly to fail anyway.

Service and support are improving. Largest drone manufacturer in the world just bought company with plans to ramp up production, 11 on the line now. 200 in service worldwide and values have doubled in the last 6 years.

Approach speed 118 knots but with beta and carbon brakes it stops on a dime.

Sims don't count. :-)

I did an MU2 engine cut at 90 knots (sorta V1) in the sim and flew away, but I'd never do that for real in the airplane.

The jet? Yes, I'll do one for real. So tame that the passengers probably won't notice.

I noticed you didn't address the accel go, accel stop issue. It's not going to be better than a Mustang, so that is one area where the Mustang does something better.

Mike C.

Sims don't count. :-)

I did an MU2 engine cut at 90 knots (sorta V1) in the sim and flew away, but I'd never do that for real in the airplane.

The jet? Yes, I'll do one for real. So tame that the passengers probably won't notice.

I noticed you didn't address the accel go, accel stop issue. It's not going to be better than a Mustang, so that is one area where the Mustang does something better.

Mike C.

Thanks! Yes the Starship was the unfortunate recipient of an ignorant FAA who didn't know how to certify a composite airframe and made Beechcraft overbuild it to the point the airplane was a flying Brick with no useful load. In a smaller sense the same thing happened to the Columbia 400 which was twice the airplane that the Cirrus was but because it was so heavy had a poor useful load as well.

On the EV thread drift and Elon Musk.

He is not the boogey man.

He is not looking to gain government contracts or to otherwise benefit financially.

The hit he is taking in Tesla stock alone should demonstrate to anyone who is objective that he is committed to a level that far exceeds most.

Why is Elon working for free? Ingratiating himself to the US Government?

Is it to get your social and steal your info? To steal a few hundred thousand bucks from the peasants?

No.

And anyone who says that is either stupid or trying to manipulate people.

They don’t have a foggy clue how much money he has. More money than all of the people on this forum… combined.

Elon is doing what he is doing, getting in with the US Government because…

He is going to Mars.

That’s it. His main goal, in his mind, is getting to Mars.

He may not see that dream fulfilled in his lifetime, but if we get to Mars, it will be because of Elon Musk.