II apologize for the needless dig. That was my bad.

I did data for a living. I'm reasonably comfortable with how data quality works.

II apologize for the needless dig. That was my bad.

I did data for a living. I'm reasonably comfortable with how data quality works.

Why would I be insecure about something that can be bought at a huge discount now?

The market has spoken Mike, EV sales are through the floor. No one wants them.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen ... latlining/


Sorry for the thread drift ….I won’t comment any further on this I promise.

Endless supply of humor for me how violently separated his buyer base is from his political base.

I drive a plug-in hybrid Chrysler Pacifica.

It has a 30 mile EV range before switching to gas, where it then gets ~25mpg.

30 mile max EV range, remember that number.

The Pacifica's charging port is located just in front of the driver's door, inches away from access anytime a driver enters or leaves the vehicle.

It's placed exactly where God intended.

My garage charger hangs on the wall a few feet away. 5 seconds to reach over, grab it and plug it in. It will recharge 0-100% in a little over 2 hrs.

It's our only car and we drive 15k/yr, most of which is city driving.

The wife says Jesus would not drive a dirty car so I take it to the car wash 1x/month to avoid the argument I am guaranteed to lose.

I always top it off while I'm there, whether it needs it or not.

30 mile EV range
1,250 miles
1 fill up

If the reason you don't own an EV is due to your range anxiety, you need to find a different excuse.

Not everyone lives in a high-density population area. When your trip takes you by a town with only one or two chargers, it would be foolish to count on that charger being both available and functional when you need it.

We frequently take road trips where we're counting the miles between GAS stations.

If you think that range is never a problem, you might need to find a different way of looking at things.

We are considering an EV because we do live downtown and we do have charging stations in our building and we do take short trips around town almost every day.

I'm probably not getting a Rivian because of the price tag (this will be a third vehicle) so I'm guessing it will be a Tesla.

I wouldn't think of taking one on a long trip. We love the Tesla, but we rented one in Florida to drive to Kennedy from Orlando for a launch, that isn't very far, we almost missed our flight on the way back because we couldn't find a charging station on the way, went 15 minutes out of the way and all chargers were in use. We had to wait and then leave with just enough juice to get us back.

Jim is right, urban commuter, great! Road trip... nah.

But you have a hybrid. I doubt anyone has range anxiety with a hybrid.

If I had a 30 mile EV range before the gas kicks in, most days would only be electric.

I drive a plug-in hybrid Chrysler Pacifica.

It has a 30 mile EV range before switching to gas, where it then gets ~25mpg.

30 mile max EV range, remember that number.

The Pacifica's charging port is located just in front of the driver's door, inches away from access anytime a driver enters or leaves the vehicle.

It's placed exactly where God intended.

My garage charger hangs on the wall a few feet away. 5 seconds to reach over, grab it and plug it in. It will recharge 0-100% in a little over 2 hrs.

It's our only car and we drive 15k/yr, most of which is city driving.

The wife says Jesus would not drive a dirty car so I take it to the car wash 1x/month to avoid the argument I am guaranteed to lose.

I always top it off while I'm there, whether it needs it or not.

30 mile EV range
1,250 miles
1 fill up

If the reason you don't own an EV is due to your range anxiety, you need to find a different excuse.

The main thing I like about an EV is simplicity, so the Hybrid isn't for me.

It is not right for every situation, just like a 182 and a King Air serve different missions.

But if you commonly drive, say, 200 miles per day or less, and end up back at home in the evening most of the time, are somewhere near a Supercharger for the occasional pinch, it is pretty hassle-free, it is inexpensive, and some are nice and fast too.

But you have a hybrid. I doubt anyone has range anxiety with a hybrid.

If I had a 30 mile EV range before the gas kicks in, most days would only be electric.

Might as well continue this thread drift...

The reason I didn't own an EV when we lived in a denser area was the same reason I didn't own a Ferrari - purchase price. Most useful EVs then were very expensive, and I lived at the end of two miles of gravel, which changed to two miles of salt & gravel in the winter. It was VERY tough on cars and there's no way I'd buy something nice for that area. It would have been throwing money down the drain through accelerated depreciation.

Now I live in an area where I see signs like this. BTW, that sign is 27 miles from the last charger, and the "services" you'll find in 121 miles don't include a charger. It's about 200 miles between chargers on that route.

Yes, I have range anxiety in my ICE 4runner. Depending on the trip, sometimes we'll carry 2-4 extra gallons of gas.

Maybe for fast chargers, but there are a LOT of places you can charge if you need to.

You can also charge at camp grounds withe NEMA 14-50 or TT-30 plugs, and there's a Tesla NACS charger at Stone House Lodge on SR-95 in NM. My portable level 2 charger works at NEMA 1-15, 14-50, 10-30 so I can get power a lot of places, albeit slowly (~35 miles per hour charge rate). Those work for overnight stops.

You can charge from a 115 VAC outlet, but very slow, 3-4 miles per hour. Billions of those, of course.

There are quite a few DC fast chargers out there, here are all the ones in northern NM that support 50 KW or greater charge rates (~200 miles added per hour for my car):

There are more every day. Many car dealers have them now.

If I find a high power charger, 18 minutes will add 250 miles. It's longer than a gas pump, but not hugely so.

It is still the weakest part of EV ownership, long distance travel, but as plane owner has another conveyance for that. I've done a few road trips in the EV and it wasn't that bad. You do have to plan the charging stops (it is a lot like flying in that regard), but I all the time I spent at DCFC hasn't added up to 1 hour yet and I've saved multiples of that not having to pump gas locally.

I don't know why EV haters feel so threatened by them, but EVs are here to stay. I guess people these days define themselves more from what they are against than what they are for.

Mike C.

Maybe for fast chargers, but there are a LOT of places you can charge if you need to.