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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Excuse my ignorance on the topic, but how does the Raptor differ from the Velocity XL RG?


Raptor is bigger and it has one more seat. It has a more spacious cabin (it's one of his selling points) and it has a bigger airframe to carry that cabin around. Bigger and more comfortable... Conceptually, trying to do new engine at the same time as new airplane is more risk and a lot more work.

Clearly, the project is a heck of a lot of work for one person, overwhelming even.

Successfully developing a viable, fast cruiser that burns Jet A but doesn't have new turbine costs or insurance, that would be a real coup in the small airplane market.

Would it have been a more savvy strategy to focus on that Audi engine and then apply that to selling FWF kits for Velocitys (and Cozys, for example)?

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Is the Audi TD a compound turbo or twin turbo, one for each bank?


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Is the Audi TD a compound turbo or twin turbo, one for each bank?


Compound on the raptor. No idea what’s stock Audi.


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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Is the Audi TD a compound turbo or twin turbo, one for each bank?

Help us out and give us a summary:

http://raptor-aircraft.com/engine.html


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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Is the Audi TD a compound turbo or twin turbo, one for each bank?

Help us out and give us a summary:

http://raptor-aircraft.com/engine.html

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I was trying to figure out why his turbo temps varied so much. Scrolling his latest video on cooling, he really doesn't seem to have a grasp on thermal dynamics. His perfectly acceptable runout on his redrive and bolt issue scares the sh$t out of me, which also means he has no clue about thrust loading. Wasabi did the right thing, I just hoped they told him in person what they didn't say in their video.

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Is the Audi TD a compound turbo or twin turbo, one for each bank?

Help us out and give us a summary:

http://raptor-aircraft.com/engine.html


Peter used a website to pick out the staged turbo setup to get he power he wants in the flight levels. I think he has the boost at 26-27 psi so he can get a manifold pressure of 42 psi. He had someone do the initial mapping for it. But, it wasn’t running right. I can’t remember what it was doing. So, he watched a webinar on tuning and just did himself. There was a problem with the dyno when he took the engine and he never took it back or anywhere else. He calculates the hp off of the measured fuel flow and some “assumed” SFC. He has no idea what hp it’s producing.

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Has he stated why he didn’t put the engine in something else before trying to tackle both a new airframe and a new engine simultaneously? Either one of those projects by themselves seems more than one person could handle. I’m super impressed he’s gotten as far as he has, but it seems an impossible dream. I hope he comes out of this lighter in the pocketbook but in good health.

I’m reminded of the starship where everything looked great on paper but when they built it it didn’t meet the numbers predicted and ultimately failed.

Anyone know if he reads the forum?


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Has he stated why he didn’t put the engine in something else before trying to tackle both a new airframe and a new engine simultaneously? Either one of those projects by themselves seems more than one person could handle. I’m super impressed he’s gotten as far as he has, but it seems an impossible dream. I hope he comes out of this lighter in the pocketbook but in good health.

I’m reminded of the starship where everything looked great on paper but when they built it it didn’t meet the numbers predicted and ultimately failed.

Anyone know if he reads the forum?


I think he has stated that people weren’t interested until he brought the TDI into the project. The problem has been he doesn’t have the time nor funds to do this project correctly. Once he got the small model to fly he went straight into the prototype. Once he got the re-drive from grenading, it went straight on the aircraft.

I’m not sure how much money out of pocket he will be, but he has gotten $2.5 million from investors by offering people part ownership and guaranteed pricing by putting more money into it. When it flies and meets some undefined milestone, he will ask for the escrows released. That could be another $2 million.


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Excuse my ignorance on the topic, but how does the Raptor differ from the Velocity XL RG?


Raptor is bigger and it has one more seat.


The Raptor is now a 6 seat???

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I’m reminded of the starship where everything looked great on paper but when they built it it didn’t meet the numbers predicted and ultimately failed.

The fate of the Starship hung more in the requirements that the FAA put on it for certification. Because it was a new design with new materials their requirements turned out to be excessive in many cases, and the resultant weight and drag hurt its performance. Unable to economically compete with the King Air, it was not going to live, but that wasn't Beechcraft's fault.

As to looking good on paper but being heavier/slower/shorter range (pick one or more) in the final product, that describes almost every new design I've ever seen. Peter has simply taken it to a new level.

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Raptor is bigger and it has one more seat.


The Raptor is now a 6 seat???

Fair point, the seat capacity in all of the Velocitys is easy for anybody to find, and google seems to have captured a few stray 'trons floating around cyberspace:

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but in my defense :hide: the Velocity website advertises "4**" seats for the XL.


(He is certainly touting the bigger cabin though- combined with the key selling point of speed, of course).

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but in my defense :hide: the Velocity website advertises "4**" seats for the XL.


The Dash-5 XL has been around for about 15 years. Just about every XL built in that time has been the 5 seat version.


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The problem has been he doesn’t have the time nor funds to do this project correctly.


Uh no! The problem is he doesn’t have the skill set, experience, or personality to tackle a project anywhere near this nature. Quite frankly, I don’t think Peter even has what it takes to assemble a proven kit design, let alone build an aircraft from scratch. No amount of time and money will fix his stubborn refusals to listen to experts, or his insistence and building by trial and error rather than design/engineer first, build second.

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The problem has been he doesn’t have the time nor funds to do this project correctly.


Uh no! The problem is he doesn’t have the skill set, experience, or personality to tackle a project anywhere near this nature. Quite frankly, I don’t think Peter even has what it takes to assemble a proven kit design, let alone build an aircraft from scratch. No amount of time and money will fix his stubborn refusals to listen to experts, or his insistence and building by trial and error rather than design/engineer first, build second.


Even more so - what he’s trying to do is IMPOSSIBLE with current technology.

300 knots on 15 gph with 5 pax plus bags for less than $300k

If that was possible don’t you think Boeing, Lockheed, Textron and Elon Musk would be all over it??

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