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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.  Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 09:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: On paper the Avanti is an absolute marvelous beast. I think it's biggest problem is people can't get past the way they look. Availability of service and support (or perceived lack thereof) is also a big one.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 09:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: On paper the Avanti is an absolute marvelous beast. I think it's biggest problem is people can't get past the way they look. Availability of service and support (or perceived lack thereof) is also a big one.
The perception is incorrect . Intercontinental Jet, SimsAir, Stephens Aviation are three big time providers. No issue at all.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 10:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most operators who choose King Airs, Citation, Pilatus or Embraer do so because of the ease of operating the aircraft. It’s an impossible task to convince them to consider a niche airplane.
The Piaggio and the Starship before it are engineering marvels, but unfortunately they never made it mainstream.
For an involved owner and especially an owner pilot, the Piaggio is a great choice. Agree completely, it’s more like owning a beautiful sports car. There is a reason they are called Ferraris of the air. And btw the myth of Ferraris being unreliable is also strong as well to people who haven’t owned them.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: And btw the myth of Ferraris being unreliable is also strong as well to people who haven’t owned them. That is what people who can't afford them say to make themselves feel better.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 13:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: That is what people who can't afford them say to make themselves feel better. A Ferrari is wasted airplane money. The road speed limit still applies to it. Buy a snappy nimble EV and a fast airplane. Perfect combination. The speed limit in the air is Mach 1. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 13:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: That is what people who can't afford them say to make themselves feel better. A Ferrari is wasted airplane money. The road speed limit still applies to it. Buy a snappy nimble EV and a fast airplane. Perfect combination. The speed limit in the air is Mach 1. Mike C.
Finally a dumb post from you Mike. 
EVs suck ass. The speed limit with a discharged one is zero.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 13:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have a buddy who flies both a 250 King Air and a Phenom 100 for a local company. He says he'd take the King Air any day over the Phenom. He says the Phenom's range is abysmal. True? I don't have any personal experience - just sharing what I've heard.
They're waiting on delivery of a new CJ4 to replace the Phenom. Laughable that people don’t realize the Avanti has a better, quieter cabin, more range, better speed (than some) and a real lav…and they still buy a Citation pencil or a 900 nm range Phenom 100 or a noisier, slower and more fuel thirsty King Air. Attachment: IMG_4466.jpeg
What about service and avionics?
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 13:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most operators who choose King Airs, Citation, Pilatus or Embraer do so because of the ease of operating the aircraft. It’s an impossible task to convince them to consider a niche airplane.
The Piaggio and the Starship before it are engineering marvels, but unfortunately they never made it mainstream.
For an involved owner and especially an owner pilot, the Piaggio is a great choice. Chip, other reasons for Textron family 1) availability and location of service centers 2) Parts 3) availability of pilots when you need to ferry an aircraft and/or want someone else along on long journeys or days with multiple legs 4) no bad habits
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 13:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Finally a dumb post from you Mike. EVs suck ass. The speed limit with a discharged one is zero. Oddly enough the same as a gas burner with an empty tank
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Availability of service and support (or perceived lack thereof) is also a big one. The perception is incorrect . Intercontinental Jet, SimsAir, Stephens Aviation are three big time providers. No issue at all.
Not disagreeing at all. Just stating a perception I held myself before I did some extensive self-education.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 15:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oddly enough the same as a gas burner with an empty tank Yes. But I can refuel pretty much anywhere in the country in 2 minutes and have 600+ miles of range again. Never understand why people buy things that objectively give them less capability.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 15:27 |
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[quote Laughable that people don’t realize the Avanti has a better, quieter cabin, more range, better speed (than some) and a real lav…and they still buy a Citation pencil or a 900 nm range Phenom 100 or a noisier, slower and more fuel thirsty King Air. Attachment: IMG_4466.jpeg [/quote] What about service and avionics?[/quote] Attachment: IMG_3385.jpeg See my post above about service. I had mine done with a full Garmin panel, so with EIS.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 15:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Finally a dumb post from you Mike. EVs suck ass. The speed limit with a discharged one is zero. Oddly enough the same as a gas burner with an empty tank
Yeah, but I’ve got a ton more places to refuel mine.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 15:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oddly enough the same as a gas burner with an empty tank Yes. But I can refuel pretty much anywhere in the country in 2 minutes and have 600+ miles of range again. Never understand why people buy things that objectively give them less capability.
Yup... I can envision flagging down an old farmer in his pick up truck asking for a ride into town to pick up a couple of gallons of Amps to get back on the road. 
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