Seriously? I've bought and sold quite a few "good" airplanes on Controller (and some on TaP too but maybe that's not your sandbox).

Are you implying that if one needs to buy a good jet, they better call Chip because the inventory on Controller is garbage?

https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... y=3&sort=5

When will this thread end???

Seriously? I've bought and sold quite a few "good" airplanes on Controller (and some on TaP too but maybe that's not your sandbox).

Are you implying that if one needs to buy a good jet, they better call Chip because the inventory on Controller is garbage?

https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... y=3&sort=5

When will this thread end???

Seriously? I've bought and sold quite a few "good" airplanes on Controller (and some on TaP too but maybe that's not your sandbox).

Are you implying that if one needs to buy a good jet, they better call Chip because the inventory on Controller is garbage?

https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... y=3&sort=5

When will this thread end???

Almost a year since the last comment here, and not much has changed.

The King Air B200 markets is still tough, I looked at two last week, so hopeful we can get them bought. We have a PC-12NG client and thought we were close on a really nice one, but the owner hasn’t accepted the drop in market values yet. As I mentioned a year ago, there were several on Controller, what followed was a considerable adjustment to sales prices.

It seems that some markets have softened, but many are still tight.

I don’t think we can say “Aircraft inventory levels are critically low” today as a blanket statement. It was true for just about every market when this thread was started. Today, we see the same thing in popular turbine models such as;

All 1990 and newer King Airs except 350
All Citation Mustangs, 525 (CJ-CJ4), Citation 560 (V-XLS+)
All Phenom 100’s and 300’s

The Phenom 300E market is crazy! New flip $14,750.00!

Phenom 300 is a great plane at the entry level for charter market and corporate fleets.
Cabin has it all over the comparable Citations.

Also, would guess that Embraer is a couple of years out on new deliveries, if the backlog is anything like Textrons in the small jet market.

In terms of Phenom 100s more of a supply issue than a demand issue.
Embraer only make 9 or 10 of them a year. Textron makes 30-35 M2s each year.

Phenom 300 is a great plane at the entry level for charter market and corporate fleets.
Cabin has it all over the comparable Citations.

Also, would guess that Embraer is a couple of years out on new deliveries, if the backlog is anything like Textrons in the small jet market.

In terms of Phenom 100s more of a supply issue than a demand issue.
Embraer only make 9 or 10 of them a year. Textron makes 30-35 M2s each year.

I have a buddy who flies both a 250 King Air and a Phenom 100 for a local company. He says he'd take the King Air any day over the Phenom. He says the Phenom's range is abysmal. True? I don't have any personal experience - just sharing what I've heard.
They're waiting on delivery of a new CJ4 to replace the Phenom.

All depends on the mission, yes on any of the small jets, Mustang, SF50, Phenom 100 the range is an issue. BUT... it isn't that simple.

What is the mission?

4 pax and 750 miles? Take the jet!

4 pax and 1500 miles? Take the jet!

If you're mission is 6-8 people, it's the King Air. If you're going 800 - 1000 miles, take the King Air.

Phenom 100 has serious runway limitations when wet, hot, high, contaminated.
We looked at it very hard before going M2. Once things get wet, hot, contaminated… 5,000’ won’t work in many cases.

Phenom 300 much more capable.

Laughable that people don’t realize the Avanti has a better, quieter cabin, more range, better speed (than some) and a real lav…and they still buy a Citation pencil or a 900 nm range Phenom 100 or a noisier, slower and more fuel thirsty King Air.

Laughable that people don’t realize the Avanti has a better, quieter cabin, more range, better speed (than some) and a real lav…and they still buy a Citation pencil or a 900 nm range Phenom 100 or a noisier, slower and more fuel thirsty King Air.

Most people who come up to me on the ramp say they look super cool…

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On paper the Avanti is an absolute marvelous beast. I think it's biggest problem is people can't get past the way they look.[/quote]

. The piaggio is regularly found in lists of the most beautiful airplanes in the world. Sorry but there is no comparison between it and the Citations and King Airs (opinions are relative I know). The Piaggio is pure organic beauty.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is never more true than with an Avanti.
It's a very cool plane but in the eye of this beholder it's far from a looker.
I'd still own one if able though, like I said very cool plane.

They seem to Leave all the Noise behind them Great Photo